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all right good evening how is everybody

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it is Monday yeah what a week we've got

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lined up huh yeah crazy weekend - so

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much fun so much fun

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somebody drama in this community oh man

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yeah but tonight special effects guru

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filmmaker director Steve Neal is here

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and he's got a new series out too as

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well the first episode has been released

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we'll be talking about that it is called

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but something is there we're gonna talk

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about all of that he's a big 2001 guy

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too as well so we're gonna have a an

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amazing conversation tonight about his

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life of contact

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tomorrow night Laurie MacDonald is here

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conference out there sponsored by China

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that's right so she's got a bunch of

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information and Intel on UFOs in China

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and then Wednesday night John Justin

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Benson and Aaron Moorhead here from the

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movie endless and we're going live right

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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Force

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found under now in the possession of the

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game changer I occasionally think how

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quickly our differences worldwide would

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vanish if we were facing an alien threat

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from outside this way

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global radio

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you listening to fade to black with

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good evening fade to black

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yeah so good to be back it's Monday

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around the world all across the United

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States hither and thither to and fro

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what is cracked and everybody how you

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doing it's Monday

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what an amazing week we have got in

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front of us here on fade to black

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tonight we have very special guests with

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out it's called but something is there

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talking about that his his life and

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career right here in Hollywood

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California and maybe a little 2001 to

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lucky tonight and that's going to be an

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amazing conversation so stay right there

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tomorrow night Laurie MacDonald is back

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and she just arrived from Geneva she was

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talk about that's why the show was

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so we're gonna go through all of that

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tomorrow night with Laurie Wednesday

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night again a very special night here on

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Aaron Morehead the creators of the hit

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film The Endless join us for the very

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first time and the film is amazing I

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to everybody last month and your

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responses from the film no we're all

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that mirrored mine and I remember when

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film she just looked at me because

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and it deals with without giving too

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much away UFO cults ok cults I mean like

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check out the film it's absolutely

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amazing the film is called the endless

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and Justin Benson Aaron Moorhead here

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with us Wednesday night Thursday night

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in advance tonight over at on stellar

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cool over the weekend are you guys

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watching sex session if you haven't you

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need to check that out two really cool

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series news series over watch it from

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the beginning over on HBO and also over

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where am I at here yeah hashtag f2b on

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gonna get tweeted oh oh now let me get

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back to this I wanted to watch okay our

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guest tonight Steve Neil you can go to

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his IMDB page and look at some of the

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film there that is one of my favorite

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films of all time but I've only been

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able to see it twice it has disappeared

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to probably order some strange DVD

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it's called highway to hell and Ben

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Stiller is in a Jerry Stiller is in it

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very small roles but it's just this

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anyway it's just an incredible film and

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it it it was something that has never

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escaped me there's a couple of really

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cool moments in the film and it's really

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well made anyway I went I saw that Steve

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he's done so many films he probably

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one but so I went to go find it this

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weekend and it said it was streaming on

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DirecTV it's not there I searched for it

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where this film exists and I've gone

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disappeared highway to hell it's an

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amazingamazing anyway Steve Neal worked

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on that film did I tell you alright

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email is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com

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yeah I keep getting notices about

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another another Earth what is this have

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you seen another Earth yet highly

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recommend it I'm so going to see the

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endless this weekend yes you need to see

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the endless you need to see the endless

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before Wednesday that's what you need to

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do why are we not streaming on Kady all

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you're sending me that message on

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you need to contact K GRA I can't do

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anything about that let's see here

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another earth I heard about this and I

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will I will check it out I will check it

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out there's another there's another film

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called what is it this is the end not

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the endless by the way but that looked

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up pretty interesting too as well I'm

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gonna have to check that out

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can't believe we're closing in on 900

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shows holy crap Ola do you remember how

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many years ago it was when we got to wow

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I don't know 100 200 300 400 maybe it

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was 500 and I said I'm not gonna post

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anything until we get to show number

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1000 I remember saying that and we're

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almost there and I remember that I think

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it was 500 and and here we are we're

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closing in on 900 and when I posted that

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I was like man a thousand that's years

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away well here we are

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Wow can't believe it 900 a thousand

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there you go a thousand what does that

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five months away six months I don't even

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know somebody do the math 16 shows 16

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well 10 months will be 160 see that's

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how I do my math right there so then

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take it to that you get that yeah what

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is that six months we had a thousand

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shows is that right somebody do the math

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if we're at 888 tonight you could even

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post a date yeah Tonetta said it was 500

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right we are at 900 that is funny so

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what is the day and date for show number

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1000 let's see who can nail that one

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down I want to see that posted up here

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and Twitter show number 1001 is that

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gonna happen our rights don't forget you

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can become a fader not over in our

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membership section where you get the

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and all of that fun stuff and you also

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get a private email

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me right all of our sponsors are amazing

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here life changed he get the t-dot-com

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I posted a picture over the weekend and

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I don't do this often but I did because

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I was sitting here in the bunker taking

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these supplements and I just want to

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show you guys this is what I do every

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day I do GI joy I do pine bark I do

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Moringa I do these are all drops I do

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olive leaf and vitamin C every single

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day

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oh of course the thing I'm not supposed

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to mention because you know YouTube

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doesn't like it there it is 500

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milligram droppers of CBD every single

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day life changed he used the promo code

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fader do what I do

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follow my eye do the colostrum I do the

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tea I do the GI joy and then I do all of

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the drops right in a row tastes so good

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I just man I feel great but I'm also

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addicted to the taste of those drops go

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to life change tea today and get yours

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promo code fader will get yourself some

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free shipping don't forget about River

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moon coffee sacred skulls new mana food

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storage our link is down at noon mana by

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the way I think the promo code is still

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good though we're gonna get that fixed

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it went down last month for a couple of

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hours we'll get that fixed a new man of

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food storage and bearing optics and with

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that let's get this show crackin lots to

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talk about tonight Will Ferrell today is

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51 and mentioned Ben Stiller earlier and

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every time I think about Ben Stiller

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well meet the parents but the first

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thing that comes to mind is Zoolander

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that's it

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Will Ferrell makes the cut because of

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Zoolander but here's the other thing

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that show I was talking about earlier

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also succession on HBO

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Will Ferrell's not in it he's friggin

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producing it and after watching

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succession I think well after watching

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part of that film house or whatever it's

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called new house or a house or whatever

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he needs to just stick to producing it

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stays to be funnier way behind him but

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in anyway happy birthday will he is 51

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years old on this day in history very

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important day in history 1945 the

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Manhattan Project comes to an explosive

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end as the first atom bomb is

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successfully tested in Alma Gordo New

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Mexico and then also on this day in 1969

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Apollo 11 allegedly the first US lunar

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landing mission is launched from Cape

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Canaveral Florida I just know I don't am

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i I'm not but it was still on this day

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in 1969 now my fader fact tonight is

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about as hard to believe as anything but

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they're all vetted it's all real here is

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your fader fact a small population of

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mammoths survived that's right on the

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Wrangel Island in Russia until 1650 BC

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he thought they were all gone in the Ice

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Age didn't you 1650 BC or about 1000

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years after the alleged construction

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date of the Great Pyramid now put that

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in your pipe and smoke it

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that is a fader fact alright tonight

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special effects master director

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filmmaker Steve Neil is here so get

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ready for that

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tomorrow night Laurie MacDonald is here

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and Wednesday night

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Justin Benson and Aaron Moorhead

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creators of the hit

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endless join the show now over at on

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stellar I posted my notes today and I'm

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gonna do that now just just listen to

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every word that I'm about to say and

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some of this I have done in the past but

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just listen to me and I'm gonna start

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off with this quote from zbigniew

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brzezinski look called between two ages

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quote in the Technotronic society the

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trend would be and would seem to be

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towards the aggregation of the

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individual support of millions of

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uncoordinated citizens easily within the

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reach of magnetic and attractive

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personalities exploiting the latest

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communications techniques to manipulate

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the book that that quote was from was

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published in wait for it 1970 during my

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research over the last few years into

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the social media in gaming world one

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name kept popping up over and over in

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queue tell that's i n the letter q te l

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three words in q tell in-q-tel some call

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it AI QT in-q-tel is the venture capital

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and investment wing of the Central

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yep on their own website you get this

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mission statement on the home page and

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again I quote iqt works side by side

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with the venture capital community to

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identify

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great startup technology for our

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customers

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the CIA our areas of interest include

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cybersecurity biotechnology novel

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materials remote sensing deep learning

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for data analytics and much more end

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quote

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right there on their homepage now I know

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that some of you will probably remember

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my reporting along with Brian lund do by

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the way

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the sensational Brian lund oak of iqt

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and its ties to pokemons go and how

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Pokemon go is connected to Google and

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Google Earth and where that money came

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from that's all of that tracking

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software so you know where you are not

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necessarily where you want to go think

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about that anyway I also looked into the

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urban legend of log book that's right

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the urban legend log book was the DARPA

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project that was funded by iqt and the

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urban legend is that it closed down the

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same day that wait for it the same day

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that Facebook launched well if you go

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back and check like I did it seems to be

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true the date is right there one stopped

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one started on the same day in 2004 but

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that's not what is important what is

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important is that log book and Facebook

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are essentially the same things it's the

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same idea the same software the same

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platform with one major difference log

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book did its own tracking of your life

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all of it and with Facebook you inputted

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that info that's the difference let me

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explain the logbook software platform

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would track you through sensors around

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the country on streets and stores online

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purchases and other data and compile

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everything about you what you did that

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day in order day-by-day logbook that's

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what it would do everything

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automatically Facebook does the very

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same thing except you are the one

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inputting the data you provide your

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location your activities your job your

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family your friends your co-workers

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likes dislikes politics religion even

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the images of proof your videos all of

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it you input it you do the work you will

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also allow Facebook to pinpoint your

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location with the same GPS technology

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originally funded by Inc you tell and

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the CIA and then they follow your

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purchases and your habits that's right

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it's it's if you think about it it's

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evil genius because you are doing it not

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somebody else today with the mass media

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and law enforcement do you always hear

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the same thing when a story breaks you

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hear this and I quote well we went to

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their Facebook profile right you hear it

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all the time it's like that's where they

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go for data when something breaks some

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school shooting bank robbery terrorist

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carjacking whatever it is it just

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doesn't matter they go to the Facebook

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page you go to the Facebook page first

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because that's where it's all at with me

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I'm a little different but whether I

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like it or not I'm a public figure and I

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get that I get that whatever but my

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stuff is out there and I have to accept

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that I'm easy to track I'm easy to find

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certainly an easy name to remember I

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have no more secrets everybody I don't

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life is just out there for everybody to

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to go and read I have no secrets

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including my barbecue gatherings and my

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love of family and friends and

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celebrations right if the media I had to

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go and check out my Facebook page

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because of something crazy and I'm in

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the news I'm sure you would hear

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something like this quote well it seems

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that mr. Church had strange habits of

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grilling rib eyes and drinking chilled

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vodka so at least I got that going for

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me right well moving on all right let's

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go back in 2004 I can see why log book

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was shut down in favor of Facebook for a

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few reasons first there was no need for

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log book and its method of data

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collection of Facebook was gonna have

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the population of the entire planet to

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do it for them second it removes the

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legal issues for Facebook because all

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they have to say is we didn't collect it

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they gave it to us but then there's a

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third reason that probably probably it

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wasn't as obvious which today in 2018 we

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have tracking we have those sensors

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cameras we have live-streaming

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everywhere you know that's what's going

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on today Plus every single aspect of our

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lives are connected to the Internet

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right the Internet of Things and they

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didn't have this back in 2004 right so

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today there's written no real reason for

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logbook because it already exists right

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the Internet is everywhere and we've got

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Facebook there's no reason for logbook

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we give them everything they need when

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we go out and purchase a Smart TV but

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here's the one thing that's bothering me

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it's the names they're too close logbook

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Facebook interchangeable in-q-tel

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facilitates venture capital that's what

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they do and Facebook got that - I'm not

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saying that in-q-tel funded Facebook

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but the timing of the events is very

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suspect those deals don't just happen

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overnight venture capital is very

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complicated in-q-tel is out there

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looking for these types of projects and

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logbook and Facebook overlapped at the

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same time what probably happened was

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that one was turned into the other money

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was routed the names were changed but

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the project goal was the same to collect

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the daily activities habits and data on

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everyone and as crazy as all of this is

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you can go and do the research yourself

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it's all out there in the public domain

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if you know where to look

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remember though kids searching for ink

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you tell the CIA logbook and Facebook

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will definitely put you on the radar you

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will be logged I did I was and I'll do

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it again just clicking on the article

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that I posted over at on stellar should

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scare you think about that alright I'm

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gonna get out of here our guest tonight

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is Steve Neil and I can't wait for this

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it's Steve Neil tomorrow night Lori

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McDonald is here and then of course on

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Laurie McDonald Wednesday night

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filmmakers Justin Benson and Aaron

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lines all night long I'm your host Jimmy

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church tonight it is Steve Neal who is

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an artist he's a visual effects creator

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and filmmaker with over 40 years of

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experience in film and television in

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1971 he interned at America's auto in

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San Francisco with that's right Francis

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Ford Coppola he has worked on movies

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such as Star Trek the motion picture

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ghostbusters Fright Night and of course

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highway to hell I'm wondering if he

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remembers that he has worked and wrote

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and produced the feature film the day

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time ended his work has been seen

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worldwide on such shows as sightings

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paranormal borderline the History

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00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:37,280
Channel's UFO FILES and the multitude of

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other documentaries he owns a film

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studio right here in Ventura California

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producing visual effects post production

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model miniatures and you need to go and

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take a tour of his studio and you can do

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that online and check out the work that

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he does it's absolutely incredible

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including creatures and prosthetic

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makeup stuff and it's absolutely

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incredible he's had lifelong experiences

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with non-human intelligence starting

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when he was six years old and he has

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just created written directed a new

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dramatic series about his experience he

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tells the story without theories or

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conjecture and folklore but rather an

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honest reporting of what he has

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experienced I have you can see the

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trailer and I have seen the first

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episode it's really well done also

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Yvonne Smith does a drive-by as well Ted

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I hope I didn't let the cat out of the

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bag at least too much

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here the series is called but something

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is there tonight we're going to discuss

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Steve's life of contact making sci-fi

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films and what it's like to combine the

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two into a TV series based on his

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experiences with ET and I would like to

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welcome for the first time to fade to

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black mr. Steve Neal Steve good evening

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good evening Jimmy thank you so much for

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having me on and God what an amazing

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introduction I'm much more excited about

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this than you are but before we get to

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it before we get to it Steve I've got to

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do the first-time guests disclaimer so

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let's get that out of the way you right

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okay okay it's just you and I sitting on

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my couch having a conversation as

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friends and where the conversation

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starts it starts where it ends it ends

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but we're commanded as friends all right

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see that was easy I'm very okay I can go

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anywhere with you

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but my first question is out of the gate

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the film highway to hell it's right

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there on your IMDB list it's one of my

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00:40:50,319 --> 00:40:47,510
favorite little guilty pleasures and

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it's a film that I cannot find anymore

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do you remember doing the model-making

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on that film do you remember working on

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it well yeah I was working on the film

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for Randy Cook of course who worked on a

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lot of other big films like King Kong

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and Laura the Rings and did Gollum and

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all that stuff but he had a small

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animation studio out here in fact real

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close to where I am now and he he and I

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00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:17,060
had been friends for years and we always

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worked together on projects so I helped

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him do some model making and assisting

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on animation and stuff like that so and

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00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:26,660
I do remember it I remember it quite

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well but you know I hate to tell you

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this I never saw the film you know many

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00:41:40,329 --> 00:41:37,910
movies that I just sort of a lot of them

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00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:40,339
sometimes I didn't see but I was hoping

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00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:43,130
your your your your favorite film was

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00:41:46,210 --> 00:41:44,780
laser blast because that's the one I

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00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:46,220
always get asked about

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00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:49,460
oh I know laser blasts is great and and

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00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:52,730
and the and the gun or about the laser

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00:41:59,260 --> 00:41:56,990
gun the laser I don't know it's it it's

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almost a cannon I don't know I remember

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00:42:06,730 --> 00:42:02,630
going over the full arm but yeah great

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00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:06,740
great film but you are not now do I say

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the same things that you are saying all

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00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:12,080
of my friends in the industry you know

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00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:13,790
I'll go back and talk about things that

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00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,950
they've nothing to it I cool I'm glad

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00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:18,160
you like it but it never saw it right

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00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:23,090
and my new series on the History Channel

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I haven't seen it I've seen you know

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00:42:30,250 --> 00:42:27,920
I've seen them working on it I've seen

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00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:30,260
him editing it I did the voice-over work

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00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:33,380
I certainly shot it but I haven't seen

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00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:36,680
it you know and and i i'm totally with

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00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:40,010
you I'm totally with Nona it's called

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00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:41,840
getting busy and in we are both

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00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:43,970
extremely busy and so it's it's really

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00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:46,250
hard sometimes to to keep up with

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00:42:53,980 --> 00:42:50,660
everything it's it's it's funny how I

766
00:42:56,890 --> 00:42:53,990
have I never thought that I would say

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00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:56,900
these words but I have forgotten more

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00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:00,410
than I remember in it's it's really true

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we're closing in on nine hundred shows

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00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:06,170
you know you need to really stop and

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00:43:10,210 --> 00:43:08,089
think about that that that's just fade

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to black and then there's a couple of

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hundred other coast to coast and there's

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00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:15,470
the television stuff I just I look back

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00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:17,150
and it's just a blur I don't I don't

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00:43:23,410 --> 00:43:20,960
remember hardly any of it my memory is

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00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:23,420
is pretty sharp I mean I'm kind of

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00:43:28,210 --> 00:43:25,970
cursed with a memory that remembers

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00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:28,220
almost everything in my entire life

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00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:30,680
day by day and you know what the

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00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:32,450
lighting was at the particular time when

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that happened and so you know and yet

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00:43:40,329 --> 00:43:37,250
there are some things that that were

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00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:40,339
more recent and you know I have a little

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00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:42,830
problem with that but overall especially

786
00:43:46,810 --> 00:43:44,750
in my career I remember most things and

787
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:46,820
I bet you you didn't know that I was the

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alien in the beginning of laser blast

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00:43:54,609 --> 00:43:52,700
yes I did know that Oh shucks yes I did

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00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:54,619
Oh somebody just posted laser blast

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00:43:58,810 --> 00:43:56,900
right here this is great you got to love

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00:44:01,000 --> 00:43:58,820
to our audience they

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00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:01,010
really really yeah see I would say that

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00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,220
that is a laser cannon yeah how would we

795
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:06,710
I'm recreating the gun right now for the

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00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:10,190
40th anniversary of laser blast

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00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:13,370
yeah and V Neil is going to come up here

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00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:15,830
and put me back in the makeup and we're

799
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:17,870
gonna do a little video for the fans of

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00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:20,810
the film for the fortieth year I wanted

801
00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:23,720
to ask you about that any relation we

802
00:44:29,650 --> 00:44:26,390
were we were an item back in the early

803
00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:29,660
70s and when I met her she was doing

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00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:32,230
makeup for a rock band called Zola Rex

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00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:36,290
and it was a space rock band really good

806
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,970
one too and she was doing their makeup

807
00:44:42,940 --> 00:44:39,680
and it was mostly all straight makeup

808
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:42,950
but we met and got together she was very

809
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:44,690
fascinated with the prosthetic work that

810
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,610
I was doing and I was just starting out

811
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:50,000
in town I was working on the plan the TV

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00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:52,250
series and working for various people

813
00:44:55,390 --> 00:44:53,450
around town because there weren't a lot

814
00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:55,400
of people in those days that did

815
00:45:02,140 --> 00:44:58,940
prosthetics I mean I was kind of on the

816
00:45:04,270 --> 00:45:02,150
edge of a new frontier so and she very

817
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:04,280
much liked putting the prosthetics on

818
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:07,160
now he is very talented I mean she can

819
00:45:11,410 --> 00:45:09,710
draw she's a good illustrator she's

820
00:45:13,770 --> 00:45:11,420
gonna kill me for saying this and she

821
00:45:16,210 --> 00:45:13,780
can sculpt too but she never really

822
00:45:19,570 --> 00:45:16,220
wanted to pursue that part of it because

823
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:19,580
her expertise is taking a hunk of rubber

824
00:45:24,970 --> 00:45:22,370
or a hunk of silicone and blending it

825
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:24,980
and coloring it so well into the actors

826
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:27,920
face that you forget it's makeup and

827
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:29,690
there are a few people in this town that

828
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:31,750
can do that and she's one of the best so

829
00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:33,890
we were together for a number of years

830
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,320
we split up and we've always stayed

831
00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:38,240
friends and work together and things and

832
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:42,260
so that's it she won't wait wait wait

833
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:45,950
wait wait I'm here right right you got

834
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:47,540
together with somebody with the same

835
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:52,370
last name no what happened was is that

836
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,770
she decided everyone thought we were

837
00:46:00,040 --> 00:45:56,240
married so we went with that and she

838
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:00,050
used the oh now it makes it because I

839
00:46:05,110 --> 00:46:02,090
would see her name all the time and

840
00:46:07,630 --> 00:46:05,120
yours and I thought that is absolutely

841
00:46:09,970 --> 00:46:07,640
bizarre now we've cleared that up

842
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:09,980
oh no she kept the name she asked me can

843
00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:11,690
I keep the name that broke up since the

844
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:12,440
better Hollywood

845
00:46:17,859 --> 00:46:15,410
and I said absolutely oh okay all right

846
00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:17,869
I'm very proud of her I mean she really

847
00:46:24,609 --> 00:46:21,260
really lots of talent she's one of the

848
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:24,619
biggest makeup artists in the town yeah

849
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:26,839
no doubt and no doubt about that

850
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:29,569
oh yeah I'm I thought I was losing my

851
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:31,010
mind okay

852
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,130
so absolutely I'm so glad that we can

853
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:38,960
move on now because I've had that

854
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:41,660
question answered okay I mean you know

855
00:46:48,010 --> 00:46:44,569
for those of us here in Hollywood and

856
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:48,020
this is and I say this we're with

857
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:50,660
respect to everybody that lives here and

858
00:46:54,250 --> 00:46:52,490
in Hollywood in Southern California in

859
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:54,260
Burbank in Studio City so for that are

860
00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:57,770
in the industry we are we're part of the

861
00:47:04,089 --> 00:46:59,720
industry here because it's our lifestyle

862
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,099
but we are film fanatics we are fans and

863
00:47:08,859 --> 00:47:07,280
here in Hollywood we will see I mean at

864
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:08,869
the end of a film everybody sits around

865
00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:11,450
and and reads the credits we're around

866
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:13,940
the country film ends everybody gets up

867
00:47:21,010 --> 00:47:18,050
and leaves not here and so we are we

868
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:21,020
know who was working on what films and

869
00:47:28,270 --> 00:47:23,690
it's it's because what we do you know

870
00:47:33,099 --> 00:47:28,280
absolutely true and think about the last

871
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:33,109
episode of the last season of Westworld

872
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:35,630
I checked the Pilat of people I said do

873
00:47:38,530 --> 00:47:36,890
you see the ending and they said oh yeah

874
00:47:39,819 --> 00:47:38,540
I saw the ending I said did you sit all

875
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:39,829
the way through the credits they said

876
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:41,480
well no I mean the method grants roll

877
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,210
day I was done I said you didn't see the

878
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:46,490
ending and this is done quite often it's

879
00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:48,230
a real pet peeve of mine drives me

880
00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:49,670
straight up the walls I'll be out of

881
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:52,310
theater and up here in Ventura they just

882
00:47:55,930 --> 00:47:54,560
get up stand in front of you go to light

883
00:47:57,790 --> 00:47:55,940
up their cell phones and stuff and I'm

884
00:48:00,520 --> 00:47:57,800
trying to watch the credits the film's

885
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:00,530
not over till the curtains closed that's

886
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:03,050
right and it's I'm telling you I if

887
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,690
anybody ever questions what you and I

888
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:08,000
are saying right now come to Burbank

889
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:11,270
we'll go to a MC 16 in downtown Burbank

890
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:14,109
write them down from the bunker here and

891
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:18,800
we'll watch just see who leaves the film

892
00:48:24,370 --> 00:48:22,010
during the credits nobody everybody is

893
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:24,380
sitting there and reading every word of

894
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:24,910
it it's

895
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,820
is what we do it's what we do because we

896
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:29,680
know somebody at least one person in

897
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,510
there we're gonna know and so we're kind

898
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:34,000
of looking for that but when we're up

899
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:36,670
here Mary and I are the last people and

900
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:38,530
they'll come in to clean the theater

901
00:48:41,790 --> 00:48:40,300
you know and go oh and back out because

902
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:41,800
we're the last two people sitting in

903
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:43,450
there because Ventura is really not a

904
00:48:47,460 --> 00:48:45,700
film down yeah I know

905
00:48:49,410 --> 00:48:47,470
you know I know stunt people I know

906
00:48:52,590 --> 00:48:49,420
special-effects people I know shading

907
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:52,600
people and lighting people a special

908
00:48:58,830 --> 00:48:56,050
effect I well as actors in all of that

909
00:49:01,590 --> 00:48:58,840
stuff but I will sit there and I will I

910
00:49:03,330 --> 00:49:01,600
will catch their names all the time from

911
00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:03,340
film to film to film to film and that's

912
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:06,430
the other thing that a lot of people

913
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:09,880
around the country don't realize there

914
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:12,910
are maybe there's probably a hundred

915
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:15,550
thousand actors here in Burbank

916
00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:21,010
two hundred get the work right yeah it's

917
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:23,860
the same thing with sound and special

918
00:49:30,180 --> 00:49:26,320
effects and makeup and stun and

919
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:30,190
camerawork the good film crews though

920
00:49:34,590 --> 00:49:32,050
you know once your reputation is

921
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:34,600
established you jump from film to film

922
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:36,130
to film the film you are never

923
00:49:41,730 --> 00:49:39,730
unemployed and those names repeat you

924
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:41,740
know and once you see enough films and

925
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:44,200
you're here you get to see that and

926
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:46,630
that's really it's that's really the

927
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:49,810
truth also it's a frustration there are

928
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:51,970
actors here that will tell you man

929
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:53,530
you know I can't get work it's always

930
00:49:58,520 --> 00:49:56,290
the same people that are but that's just

931
00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:58,530
the film industry is the way it is

932
00:50:01,590 --> 00:50:01,330
welcome to our business it is a tough

933
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:01,600
one

934
00:50:06,570 --> 00:50:05,410
now okay did I just cut you off go ahead

935
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:06,580
see oh no that's okay

936
00:50:11,730 --> 00:50:08,530
oh it's gonna pontificate it's fine

937
00:50:14,190 --> 00:50:11,740
let's go ahead um before we move on

938
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:14,200
we've got a lot to talk about with this

939
00:50:18,990 --> 00:50:16,900
new series and your your life and what

940
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:19,000
happened when you were six years old so

941
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:20,560
we'll do that at the top of the hour I

942
00:50:26,550 --> 00:50:22,930
don't want to let one thing get away

943
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:26,560
from me your model making is

944
00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:30,670
extraordinary and through one of the

945
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,600
tours that you do online I didn't miss

946
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:36,720
this

947
00:50:45,290 --> 00:50:41,970
is the discovery from 2001 if I do visit

948
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:45,300
your studio you better go back and check

949
00:50:48,830 --> 00:50:47,190
after I drive away to make sure that

950
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:48,840
that is still there I'm just telling it

951
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:49,650
right now

952
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:52,560
it will fit in my car but there it is

953
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:54,570
the discovery and it's absolutely

954
00:51:00,680 --> 00:50:57,240
incredible done with your level of

955
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:00,690
detail and expertise but which says to

956
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:04,980
me that 2001 is fundamental to you like

957
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:06,540
it is to myself is it

958
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:09,780
oh absolutely that is the film that I

959
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,840
was it was 1968 when I saw it I was 16

960
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:15,000
and it was closest thing to a religious

961
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:18,270
experience I've ever had it just blew my

962
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:18,690
mind

963
00:51:25,490 --> 00:51:22,710
and it set me on my career course then

964
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:25,500
I'm still doing to this day at 66 years

965
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:28,740
old I watch it all the time and here's

966
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,520
my here's my secret for Rita and I will

967
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:35,160
put on the film we watch it I would say

968
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:37,290
at least once a month once a month for

969
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:40,350
sure but this is what we do we put it on

970
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:43,530
as we're going to bed and by the time

971
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:47,690
Blue Danube strikes we're sleeping and

972
00:51:57,260 --> 00:51:51,690
and the dreams that come off of that

973
00:52:00,620 --> 00:51:57,270
film because it takes you where you need

974
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:00,630
to go and we do it all the time the the

975
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:04,800
the dreams that have happened for myself

976
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,570
and Rita I mean I wake up the next

977
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:08,160
morning and just talk about some crazy

978
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,610
stuff and it's all because of 2001 and

979
00:52:16,070 --> 00:52:13,920
the way that it's done it's a it's an

980
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:16,080
amazing film when you come here you're

981
00:52:20,570 --> 00:52:17,640
gonna see other things like moon

982
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:20,580
Watchers mask from the dawn of man

983
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:23,510
sequence in the star child from the end

984
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:26,040
figures at Gary Lockwood Gary Locke was

985
00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:27,720
a friend of mine I've met him a few

986
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:30,120
years ago just by chance and he comes

987
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:32,730
here and visits the studio fairly often

988
00:52:36,770 --> 00:52:34,710
and the young people that I sometimes

989
00:52:39,380 --> 00:52:36,780
have here he has a great time blowing

990
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,390
their minds he knows he lives up there

991
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:41,760
doesn't he well actually he lives in

992
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:45,210
Malibu but okay you know that's it's

993
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:47,370
it's not that far from here it's about

994
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:49,810
25 minute drive so

995
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:53,690
what about the the other aspects of it

996
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:56,510
because you're a model maker your your

997
00:53:03,010 --> 00:52:59,630
builder and a designer and when you look

998
00:53:05,050 --> 00:53:03,020
at that and not only the model making

999
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:05,060
but the fact that everything was shot on

1000
00:53:09,940 --> 00:53:05,810
film

1001
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:09,950
you know that's before the life of CG

1002
00:53:19,690 --> 00:53:14,480
where we live today for sure I had can

1003
00:53:22,090 --> 00:53:19,700
it can it ever be topped no it can't can

1004
00:53:26,099 --> 00:53:22,100
it no it's absolutely perfect Doug

1005
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:26,109
Trumbull is a brilliant human being and

1006
00:53:31,930 --> 00:53:29,990
and not to mention Kubrick but the nice

1007
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:31,940
thing is is that he had four years to

1008
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:33,890
work on those effects and to do effects

1009
00:53:39,340 --> 00:53:36,260
on that level using optical printers and

1010
00:53:41,830 --> 00:53:39,350
big size models against black screen and

1011
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:41,840
blue screen and in doing mattes and

1012
00:53:46,330 --> 00:53:44,840
pulling mattes and not having matte

1013
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:46,340
lines jumping around the edges of the

1014
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:49,369
ships and stuff took incredible patience

1015
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:51,950
on such a level that I've never seen

1016
00:53:55,420 --> 00:53:53,690
because that film absolutely holds up

1017
00:53:57,310 --> 00:53:55,430
today and when I show it to young people

1018
00:53:59,980 --> 00:53:57,320
they don't understand how that could

1019
00:54:03,670 --> 00:53:59,990
have even been done back then it's it's

1020
00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:03,680
it's been talked about a lot but it is

1021
00:54:08,530 --> 00:54:07,220
certainly one of the best films that you

1022
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:08,540
know it's the greatest science fiction

1023
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:10,790
film ever made I would I would you know

1024
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:13,609
I'm sure that you know in film school

1025
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:15,710
that's exactly what's talked about first

1026
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:18,470
is is the art of doing something like

1027
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:21,350
that but there's also the other part is

1028
00:54:28,740 --> 00:54:24,980
the storytelling the science behind the

1029
00:54:32,590 --> 00:54:28,750
film Kubrick's attention to detail all

1030
00:54:34,270 --> 00:54:32,600
combined all at one moment and as you

1031
00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:34,280
know just like at the beginning of the

1032
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:36,109
film right the Stars and the moon lined

1033
00:54:41,859 --> 00:54:38,630
and that's what you get in the end is

1034
00:54:43,690 --> 00:54:41,869
nearly perfection and also Spock there

1035
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:43,700
are thruster which is which is music

1036
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:47,660
about a human Superman and if you look

1037
00:54:51,940 --> 00:54:50,090
at the real story behind 2001 it's so

1038
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:51,950
pertinent today and specially to my

1039
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,900
experience the Whitley's drivers

1040
00:54:58,660 --> 00:54:56,000
experience and so many others they're

1041
00:55:01,060 --> 00:54:58,670
having these experiences with this sort

1042
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,070
of hidden in the shadows intelligence

1043
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:03,440
that was represented by the monolith so

1044
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,569
there's a big correlation between this

1045
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:08,240
film and my own experiences which is why

1046
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:10,490
I was so drawn to it I learned much

1047
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:13,760
later on now I wanted to ask you this as

1048
00:55:19,029 --> 00:55:17,030
well with we've got got about 8 minutes

1049
00:55:24,339 --> 00:55:19,039
before the break we should be able to

1050
00:55:27,069 --> 00:55:24,349
get this in the model of discovery that

1051
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:27,079
was used in the film and what you have

1052
00:55:32,740 --> 00:55:29,960
there in your studio how big was the

1053
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:32,750
model for the film for the film I

1054
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:34,430
believe it was 50 feet long they also

1055
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:38,000
had a smaller one but the but the big

1056
00:55:46,059 --> 00:55:40,460
one was 50 feet it was it was a monster

1057
00:55:49,059 --> 00:55:46,069
so but you need that to get scale you

1058
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:49,069
know smaller models today will work

1059
00:55:53,799 --> 00:55:50,710
better with the cameras and the

1060
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,809
technology we have but back then he

1061
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:55,760
wanted everything as big as it could be

1062
00:56:03,430 --> 00:55:57,770
so he could get real scale out of it in

1063
00:56:05,890 --> 00:56:03,440
real detail that's why it bends if you

1064
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:05,900
know what I mean yeah it's what happens

1065
00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:09,130
when he had that depth of field your

1066
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:12,380
version of it there how many feet long

1067
00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:14,630
is that I think it's like three and a

1068
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:16,369
half feet or something like that it's a

1069
00:56:21,609 --> 00:56:18,950
model that Mobius puts out

1070
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:21,619
it's a Mobius model company and they put

1071
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:24,799
out a lot of sci-fi models that are very

1072
00:56:30,730 --> 00:56:28,010
very well done and and from Star Trek -

1073
00:56:33,250 --> 00:56:30,740
now 2001 and in fact they have a large

1074
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:33,260
scale evie a pod coming out next that I

1075
00:56:39,549 --> 00:56:37,010
can't wait to get my hands on so when

1076
00:56:43,870 --> 00:56:39,559
you I want you to help me out with this

1077
00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:43,880
with with what Lucas did in Star Wars

1078
00:56:48,670 --> 00:56:46,700
and then going back to because that

1079
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,680
model-making is extraordinary and then

1080
00:56:53,769 --> 00:56:51,440
going back to 2001 I mean I had no idea

1081
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,779
that the discovery was 50 feet I thought

1082
00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:56,480
it was Tanner maybe 12 I didn't realize

1083
00:57:04,870 --> 00:56:59,960
it was 55 stories long at that's it

1084
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:04,880
that's ginormous so what about the level

1085
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:07,609
of detail I mean are they designing this

1086
00:57:13,450 --> 00:57:10,010
with their face right up on the model or

1087
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:13,460
they are they are they working at it

1088
00:57:18,180 --> 00:57:15,850
from you know further back

1089
00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:18,190
you mean the plastic model kit that I

1090
00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:20,320
have no no I mean just when you are

1091
00:57:25,860 --> 00:57:24,040
designing for film oh well I mean if you

1092
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,870
take Star Wars which wasn't you know

1093
00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:27,760
what that was like ten years later

1094
00:57:34,380 --> 00:57:32,380
roughly the models for the x-wings were

1095
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:34,390
quite small and a lot of the other

1096
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:37,570
models now I was at the place where they

1097
00:57:41,460 --> 00:57:39,400
were shooting those miniatures and of

1098
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:41,470
course the trench was large and parts of

1099
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,510
the Death Star were large scale but the

1100
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,760
actual x-wings I'm looking at one right

1101
00:57:51,390 --> 00:57:48,160
now because I have a studio scale x-wing

1102
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:51,400
of course and yeah that's about two and

1103
00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:53,980
a half feet long or so and and highly

1104
00:58:00,720 --> 00:57:58,840
detailed you know so when you know if

1105
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:00,730
I'm gonna do a shoot and I'm gonna have

1106
00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:03,250
models I still want it to be as big as I

1107
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:05,830
can do within reason because you just

1108
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,750
get more scale out of it and then

1109
00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:09,280
there's you know things like you know

1110
00:58:18,330 --> 00:58:12,670
the laser blast gun or or a face or a

1111
00:58:20,190 --> 00:58:18,340
mask again are you doing that to to

1112
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:20,200
convince somebody if they were up really

1113
00:58:25,050 --> 00:58:23,140
close or you just you know consciously

1114
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:25,060
designing for the camera and how it's

1115
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:27,300
gonna shoot from five or ten feet away

1116
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,120
well now that today everything is 4k and

1117
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:33,960
moving up to a K when we shoot mm-hmm

1118
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:36,220
outputting we're outputting to 2k and 4k

1119
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,610
but we like to have as much real estate

1120
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:41,200
as we can we're shooting to work in

1121
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:44,290
effects everything has to look real as

1122
00:58:49,140 --> 00:58:46,780
if you're standing in front of it two

1123
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:49,150
feet away you know if a person's made up

1124
00:58:54,300 --> 00:58:52,090
to look like an old person or a creature

1125
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:54,310
or an alien or anything like that it has

1126
00:59:00,030 --> 00:58:56,110
to look real in person or it's not gonna

1127
00:59:02,340 --> 00:59:00,040
hold up on film do you have do you have

1128
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,350
one last quick question before the break

1129
00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:04,960
do you have a favor project but before

1130
00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:07,630
you say laser blast is there is there

1131
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:10,540
one thing out there that that says Steve

1132
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:17,800
Neale for you geez you know my okay yes

1133
00:59:23,970 --> 00:59:22,210
my first great experience was my first

1134
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:23,980
film but it was my first big film with

1135
00:59:29,590 --> 00:59:27,190
Star Trek the motion picture and I was

1136
00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:29,600
friends with Fred Phillips to the

1137
00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:31,580
on the original Star Trek series in the

1138
00:59:36,850 --> 00:59:33,740
Outer Limits incredibly wonderful human

1139
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:36,860
being called me up one day and I thought

1140
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:38,450
was playing a joke on me and said you

1141
00:59:41,950 --> 00:59:39,740
want to work in Star Trek and I said

1142
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:41,960
well Fred come on that start tricks been

1143
00:59:46,510 --> 00:59:43,610
off for years and I says no we're making

1144
00:59:48,010 --> 00:59:46,520
a film I said what you're making a movie

1145
00:59:49,690 --> 00:59:48,020
start taking a motion picture I need to

1146
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:49,700
come down here and the first thing he

1147
00:59:56,020 --> 00:59:52,730
had me do was Leonard Nimoy Spock ears

1148
00:59:58,270 --> 00:59:56,030
and I still get chills thinking about

1149
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,280
that today because I grew up with 2001

1150
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:00,980
and Star Trek and my favorite character

1151
01:00:06,550 --> 01:00:03,890
of course was Leonard Nimoy as mr. Spock

1152
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:06,560
and that was my first job so I got to

1153
01:00:11,470 --> 01:00:08,840
work with that original cast Gene

1154
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:11,480
Roddenberry and Robert Wise that said

1155
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:13,700
Steve Neil that was an amazing moment my

1156
01:00:19,500 --> 01:00:16,130
career career and I think about it

1157
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:19,510
almost every day how old were you I

1158
01:00:25,090 --> 01:00:23,900
don't know 25 26 right around in there

1159
01:00:28,420 --> 01:00:25,100
man that's insane

1160
01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:28,430
yeah and I remember the night I was

1161
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,560
there late at Paramount and sculpting

1162
01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:32,480
the ears and the shadow blocks my light

1163
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:35,030
and they hear this voice are those my

1164
01:00:39,790 --> 01:00:37,850
ears and I looked up and there's Nimoy

1165
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:39,800
standing over me and I you know I think

1166
01:00:45,790 --> 01:00:41,810
any chills right now because you know

1167
01:00:48,370 --> 01:00:45,800
Star Trek's like 2001 is very important

1168
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:48,380
to me and I love gene and I love the

1169
01:00:51,850 --> 01:00:50,930
original Star Trek so much I was blessed

1170
01:00:56,380 --> 01:00:51,860
to be part of that

1171
01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:56,390
have you seen Star Trek continues the TV

1172
01:01:03,640 --> 01:00:59,900
series oh yes Reds were thick

1173
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:03,650
yeah that's it's wonderful he's uh he's

1174
01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:05,810
been on the show with us a couple of

1175
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:08,270
times I'm happy yeah yeah I've had him

1176
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:10,730
on a coast to coast to I even had you

1177
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:14,050
know what your your valley guy I went to

1178
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:19,330
Vic and I went out and had dinner at

1179
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:23,570
Jerry's deli in Studio City Jerry's deli

1180
01:01:29,350 --> 01:01:25,060
I got to sit with Vic

1181
01:01:32,290 --> 01:01:29,360
for for about three hours and and just

1182
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:32,300
talk Star Trek and and well other things

1183
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:34,280
too as well and we ate and had fun but

1184
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:38,240
but he is such a talent and and the yes

1185
01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:41,450
that work and the way what there

1186
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:45,560
their love of the original series and

1187
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:49,849
how they do that is is just amazing I'm

1188
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,530
still blown away every time I see it oh

1189
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:53,839
yeah and you know he's always wanted to

1190
01:01:58,750 --> 01:01:56,450
use I built this big six-foot long model

1191
01:02:01,060 --> 01:01:58,760
of the original enterprise from scratch

1192
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:01,070
and it's the exact to the original

1193
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:03,290
tv-show model and he's always wanted to

1194
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:06,050
use it in the show somehow and you've

1195
01:02:10,540 --> 01:02:08,089
also got you've got that you've got the

1196
01:02:13,450 --> 01:02:10,550
captain's chair - yes I built one of

1197
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:13,460
those - so man I want to be you just

1198
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:16,550
whatever I've got to take a break right

1199
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:18,710
here but you know because of your

1200
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:22,010
creativity pretty much if you think that

1201
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:26,030
you can do it yeah pretty much I haven't

1202
01:02:29,859 --> 01:02:27,680
been able to build my own rocket ship

1203
01:02:32,290 --> 01:02:29,869
and go to Mars myself that I'm still

1204
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:32,300
working on it let's take a break right

1205
01:02:38,170 --> 01:02:35,030
here our guest tonight is Steve meal now

1206
01:02:40,569 --> 01:02:38,180
when we come back he's got a new TV

1207
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:40,579
series he's got a new series that he's

1208
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:43,849
worked very hard to get out and the

1209
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:46,640
first episode is finished we're gonna

1210
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,050
talk about that it's called but

1211
01:02:54,339 --> 01:02:51,280
something is there and it's about

1212
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:54,349
himself we'll talk about all of that we

1213
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,849
get back this is fade to black I'm your

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01:02:59,650 --> 01:02:57,540
Jimmy Church stay with us

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01:03:13,480 --> 01:02:59,660
[Music]

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welcome back beta-blocker museum to

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01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:49,380
church our guest tonight Steve Mele

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Steve Neil & Steve okay all right I

1294
01:07:21,270 --> 01:07:18,010
don't know let's clear something up

1295
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:21,280
really quick for everybody is the first

1296
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:24,520
episode of but something but something

1297
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:27,970
is they're available to view no not

1298
01:07:31,140 --> 01:07:28,570
right now

1299
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:31,150
I've been sharing it with people in the

1300
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:35,890
community and other filmmakers to get

1301
01:07:41,490 --> 01:07:38,530
feedback and to spread it far and wide

1302
01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:41,500
as I can and we're also going to be

1303
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:46,870
having some screenings locally in in

1304
01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:50,440
town in fact and if I have a second year

1305
01:07:54,260 --> 01:07:52,180
because I know Steve marilla's gonna

1306
01:07:58,620 --> 01:07:54,270
kill me

1307
01:08:04,080 --> 01:07:58,630
I'm gonna tell you the name of the of

1308
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:04,090
the view yeah I I keep okay there we are

1309
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:06,490
UFO a Paranormal Research Society right

1310
01:08:13,950 --> 01:08:10,750
oh and it's Steve Murillo and at the at

1311
01:08:15,780 --> 01:08:13,960
the United Church in Studio City that's

1312
01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:15,790
it you know all about it so on that

1313
01:08:20,910 --> 01:08:18,580
August 21st we are going to have a

1314
01:08:21,780 --> 01:08:20,920
screening there Avon's gonna join me and

1315
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:21,790
so we're gonna have a little

1316
01:08:25,890 --> 01:08:23,410
presentation and talk to the audience

1317
01:08:29,070 --> 01:08:25,900
and then run the film so and we'll be

1318
01:08:30,809 --> 01:08:29,080
doing this as often as we are asked to

1319
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:30,819
do it depending on you know whether

1320
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:33,250
MUFON has this speak in Orange County or

1321
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:35,500
or something like that

1322
01:08:40,230 --> 01:08:38,290
meanwhile we are working on getting the

1323
01:08:42,809 --> 01:08:40,240
money together because this was all

1324
01:08:45,150 --> 01:08:42,819
self-financed the first one I spent my

1325
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:45,160
own money both Mary and I to get this

1326
01:08:52,349 --> 01:08:50,560
produced so we're gonna get money to do

1327
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,359
five more episodes and then it's going

1328
01:08:56,379 --> 01:08:55,120
to go to Amazon where where it'll be

1329
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:56,389
streamed it hopefully people

1330
01:08:59,589 --> 01:08:58,130
we'll like it well enough that that we

1331
01:09:02,349 --> 01:08:59,599
can do a second season

1332
01:09:05,499 --> 01:09:02,359
now reason that we did not take

1333
01:09:08,109 --> 01:09:05,509
financing for the first episode is

1334
01:09:11,229 --> 01:09:08,119
because my fear was as this happened so

1335
01:09:15,309 --> 01:09:11,239
often with this field of interest is

1336
01:09:16,959 --> 01:09:15,319
that Hollywood thinks it's all joke and

1337
01:09:18,489 --> 01:09:16,969
they tried to turn into science fiction

1338
01:09:21,009 --> 01:09:18,499
and horror which they did a really good

1339
01:09:23,289 --> 01:09:21,019
job of with fire in the sky as one

1340
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:23,299
example you know because if you've read

1341
01:09:28,829 --> 01:09:25,489
Travis's book and then you see the film

1342
01:09:32,109 --> 01:09:28,839
it's like that's it's a WTF moment so

1343
01:09:33,789 --> 01:09:32,119
and this happens quite often and so we

1344
01:09:35,799 --> 01:09:33,799
wanted I wanted to do this honestly

1345
01:09:38,889 --> 01:09:35,809
based on my experience as best I could

1346
01:09:40,959 --> 01:09:38,899
it was a struggle because you know we

1347
01:09:43,870 --> 01:09:40,969
had a low budget and we could only work

1348
01:09:46,329 --> 01:09:43,880
with some of the people on weekends and

1349
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:46,339
it's so it took a while to do now it's

1350
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:50,719
shot really well and but my question

1351
01:09:57,819 --> 01:09:55,209
which is a very direct one you are

1352
01:10:00,609 --> 01:09:57,829
exposing yourself alright you're letting

1353
01:10:04,659 --> 01:10:00,619
it out that's it you know it's all right

1354
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:04,669
there how comfortable are you do you

1355
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:07,880
wince a little bit in that if this is

1356
01:10:15,370 --> 01:10:12,050
this is your story yeah I you know I

1357
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:15,380
Jimmy I started I came forward about my

1358
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:17,090
experiences when I first started working

1359
01:10:24,939 --> 01:10:21,530
with the von Smith back in 1990 right I

1360
01:10:26,799 --> 01:10:24,949
had done a lot of illustrations of the

1361
01:10:29,139 --> 01:10:26,809
greys that I've seen which now become

1362
01:10:31,989 --> 01:10:29,149
iconic today everybody borrowed from it

1363
01:10:35,109 --> 01:10:31,999
I never fought to to trademark it or

1364
01:10:40,089 --> 01:10:35,119
copyright the images that I did and so

1365
01:10:41,919 --> 01:10:40,099
even Alienware has used it so and so and

1366
01:10:44,169 --> 01:10:41,929
I went on a number of television

1367
01:10:46,089 --> 01:10:44,179
programs and I was on sightings and

1368
01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:46,099
additionally I worked for sightings and

1369
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:47,780
did the recreations and built the

1370
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:50,570
puppets at the Grays and did artwork and

1371
01:10:53,949 --> 01:10:52,130
many many other programs there was

1372
01:10:56,699 --> 01:10:53,959
another program called the other side

1373
01:10:59,259 --> 01:10:56,709
which is a morning paranormal talk show

1374
01:11:02,109 --> 01:10:59,269
that I went on with Carla Turner and

1375
01:11:04,389 --> 01:11:02,119
some of the other greats of that era and

1376
01:11:06,399 --> 01:11:04,399
so I was all over the place you know

1377
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:06,409
Whitley and I appeared many times

1378
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:08,310
together

1379
01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:10,860
so I'm used to it and I did a lot of

1380
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:13,230
radio and they did da necker's program

1381
01:11:18,500 --> 01:11:15,570
and a lot of other stuff so I haven't

1382
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:18,510
really not that shy about it tell us

1383
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,090
about the the first because it's it's

1384
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:25,980
portrayed really what nobody's seen it

1385
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:29,190
but me as far as my audience goes haha

1386
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:32,610
so I've got that going for me but the

1387
01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:36,720
scene that first night you're 6 years

1388
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:40,200
old you're in bed I'll let you take it

1389
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:41,910
from there but I just wanted to make

1390
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,210
this comment the way that you shot it I

1391
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:47,520
know that that's exactly how it went

1392
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,020
down and I thought back to my life you

1393
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:54,480
know like everybody wouldn't think and

1394
01:11:59,560 --> 01:11:56,820
put yourself in a six-year-olds mindset

1395
01:12:03,470 --> 01:11:59,570
it's actually a pretty terrifying scene

1396
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:03,480
take us through that and just just start

1397
01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:06,870
from when you're in bed yeah well you

1398
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:09,390
know I was in bed in the thing about San

1399
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:12,060
Francisco and and in one of the things I

1400
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:13,980
noticed watching it again recently is

1401
01:12:19,790 --> 01:12:17,760
that when we had the film we cut the

1402
01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:19,800
editor forgot to put in the sound

1403
01:12:26,210 --> 01:12:22,260
effects of San Francisco but you could

1404
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:26,220
hear where I was living was was near old

1405
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:29,610
play on and near the Cliff House that

1406
01:12:33,740 --> 01:12:31,500
was that close to the water in 47th

1407
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:33,750
Avenue Richmond District of San

1408
01:12:39,380 --> 01:12:36,210
Francisco and you could hear the ocean

1409
01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:39,390
you could hear ships and their horns and

1410
01:12:44,510 --> 01:12:41,750
the Boies you could hear a lot of things

1411
01:12:47,540 --> 01:12:44,520
and even if it was late at night there

1412
01:12:54,110 --> 01:12:47,550
was still a real ambience of sound what

1413
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,120
woke me up was the absolute silence no

1414
01:13:00,200 --> 01:12:58,080
sound at all nothing I mean I could hear

1415
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:00,210
myself breathe and I could feel my heart

1416
01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:03,690
beating but that's what woke me up and

1417
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,790
it made me very very curious and I

1418
01:13:08,900 --> 01:13:07,440
remember looking over the edge of the

1419
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,910
bed and looking around the room and

1420
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:10,620
that's when it happened and these lights

1421
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:13,980
beams of light very coherent beams of

1422
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:16,440
light silently came into the room and

1423
01:13:21,380 --> 01:13:19,140
started searching around this fascinated

1424
01:13:24,170 --> 01:13:21,390
me it gave me the chills

1425
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:24,180
yes it was it was a little scary but you

1426
01:13:28,340 --> 01:13:26,610
know I was always a kid that loved

1427
01:13:30,610 --> 01:13:28,350
looking at the stars and looking through

1428
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:30,620
telescopes and just had this fascination

1429
01:13:37,070 --> 01:13:35,310
with the universe so I got out of bed it

1430
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:37,080
being cautious I stayed close to the

1431
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:40,650
wall and inste long until I got to the

1432
01:13:44,780 --> 01:13:42,510
windowsill and then they slowly but

1433
01:13:47,690 --> 01:13:44,790
surely creeped up to look to see where

1434
01:13:49,850 --> 01:13:47,700
the source of lights was coming from and

1435
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:49,860
when I did it was though they had an

1436
01:13:53,690 --> 01:13:51,870
intelligence behind him they knew I was

1437
01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:53,700
there because they immediately set it on

1438
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,050
me that gave me a zing and now I was a

1439
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,600
little scared because I knew something

1440
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:03,600
intelligent was behind it so I ran

1441
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:07,350
well crawled under my desk and hidden in

1442
01:14:10,850 --> 01:14:08,970
my desk and I thought it was safe there

1443
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:10,860
I thought you know these lights are

1444
01:14:14,090 --> 01:14:12,450
outside the building how they gonna get

1445
01:14:16,820 --> 01:14:14,100
in the room and I'll stay there until

1446
01:14:20,090 --> 01:14:16,830
they leave and no they they came in the

1447
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:20,100
room somehow and and they came closer

1448
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:22,890
and closer and then that's what I saw

1449
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:26,930
this shadow even image figure

1450
01:14:31,340 --> 01:14:29,130
materialized and that's when I first

1451
01:14:34,150 --> 01:14:31,350
time I saw something that we know today

1452
01:14:36,740 --> 01:14:34,160
to be a gray and it came close to me and

1453
01:14:38,540 --> 01:14:36,750
one of the things I left out of the film

1454
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,550
because it just didn't work every time I

1455
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:41,040
try putting a person's voice in there it

1456
01:14:46,190 --> 01:14:43,590
didn't have a breathless feel to it I

1457
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:46,200
felt it inside of me and it said we're

1458
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:47,570
not gonna hurt you

1459
01:14:55,390 --> 01:14:51,030
don't be afraid were you right you know

1460
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,680
well I'm kind of there right now because

1461
01:15:05,090 --> 01:14:59,880
like I told you I have I have one heck

1462
01:15:06,530 --> 01:15:05,100
of a memory and I was deeply fascinated

1463
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:06,540
I really wanted to know what was going

1464
01:15:13,190 --> 01:15:09,960
on I was afraid go definitely I mean how

1465
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:13,200
could you not be but my curiosity was

1466
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:16,020
actually stronger the next thing I knew

1467
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:19,770
I woke up on on the floor in front of my

1468
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:26,330
mom and dad's bed the I want to back up

1469
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:32,100
also there was another and the reason

1470
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:33,090
why I'm asking you

1471
01:15:37,819 --> 01:15:34,050
is because

1472
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:37,829
I know that everything is is portrayed

1473
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:40,050
as in happiness and it's not Hollywood

1474
01:15:46,339 --> 01:15:44,550
eyes are sensationalized so knowing that

1475
01:15:48,020 --> 01:15:46,349
in advance when I'm watching this I'm

1476
01:15:50,299 --> 01:15:48,030
paying attention to what is going on

1477
01:15:53,899 --> 01:15:50,309
because I realized this is a real

1478
01:15:59,419 --> 01:15:53,909
experience that is being portrayed the

1479
01:16:02,629 --> 01:15:59,429
there were hands on the window okay and

1480
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:02,639
in you know what I'm talking about

1481
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:06,510
did you do you saw that as a six year

1482
01:16:11,089 --> 01:16:09,090
old the I you know you're seeing

1483
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:11,099
something I didn't see because you're

1484
01:16:14,290 --> 01:16:12,329
saying that there were hands in the

1485
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:14,300
window the window I was looking through

1486
01:16:21,950 --> 01:16:19,290
after you got underneath the desk well

1487
01:16:23,870 --> 01:16:21,960
we saw the hands of the of the gray or

1488
01:16:31,089 --> 01:16:23,880
the yes yes that's what I'm referring to

1489
01:16:33,620 --> 01:16:31,099
yes yes and that how as a six year old

1490
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:33,630
what was going through your mind at that

1491
01:16:39,140 --> 01:16:37,110
moment because I can only imagine the

1492
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:39,150
adrenaline you know your heart must have

1493
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,369
just about leapt out of your chest you

1494
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:43,920
can't show that how the film what was

1495
01:16:51,919 --> 01:16:46,650
going through your mind cuz it that that

1496
01:16:54,770 --> 01:16:51,929
moment really really grabbed me well you

1497
01:16:57,500 --> 01:16:54,780
know I was frightened and I and I was to

1498
01:16:59,419 --> 01:16:57,510
a point where my mind was struggling to

1499
01:17:01,370 --> 01:16:59,429
stay awake and I was fighting something

1500
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:01,380
that was overcoming me and I just felt

1501
01:17:05,569 --> 01:17:03,290
like I was going to black out and I did

1502
01:17:09,379 --> 01:17:05,579
and and you know you've heard this

1503
01:17:11,930 --> 01:17:09,389
before but I I really wanted to stay

1504
01:17:14,569 --> 01:17:11,940
awake to find out what this was why it

1505
01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:14,579
was happening but I also had this very

1506
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:16,230
strong feeling that this was not the

1507
01:17:23,180 --> 01:17:18,300
first time this was the first time I

1508
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:23,190
remember it happening the memory that

1509
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:27,030
you had when you woke up how crystal

1510
01:17:33,049 --> 01:17:31,170
clear was it it was very crystal clear

1511
01:17:34,700 --> 01:17:33,059
but I couldn't remember anything else

1512
01:17:38,660 --> 01:17:34,710
that happened and this is where

1513
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:38,670
sometimes hypnosis can help but I

1514
01:17:46,589 --> 01:17:42,090
couldn't remember much more did you

1515
01:17:48,609 --> 01:17:46,599
discuss it no absolutely not

1516
01:17:50,500 --> 01:17:48,619
you know it's a pretty smart kid

1517
01:17:54,970 --> 01:17:50,510
probably a lot smarter than I am now but

1518
01:17:57,310 --> 01:17:54,980
I I just I just knew that if I talked

1519
01:17:59,350 --> 01:17:57,320
about this and now again this could have

1520
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,360
been something they have to do with with

1521
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:02,480
the visitors themselves warning me not

1522
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:04,610
to talk about it but I knew I shouldn't

1523
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:07,000
talk about it because if I did

1524
01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:08,960
people might think there's something

1525
01:18:17,050 --> 01:18:12,230
wrong with me and so it was my little

1526
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:17,060
secret rise you know there is uh I don't

1527
01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:18,650
want to jump ahead because I'm gonna

1528
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:20,900
come back and discuss this a little bit

1529
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:24,530
further but there is the title which is

1530
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:28,400
but something is there and what where

1531
01:18:32,620 --> 01:18:30,110
did the title come from I'll let you go

1532
01:18:34,180 --> 01:18:32,630
ahead and explain well you're gonna love

1533
01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:34,190
this one because you know they're

1534
01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:37,270
friends with Whitley too but I was at

1535
01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:40,369
Lima Klaus Keys house and Whitley will

1536
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:42,020
always tell me when he's gonna go there

1537
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:43,760
it's close by than me

1538
01:18:50,290 --> 01:18:46,880
and and he has events there and Whitley

1539
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:50,300
was speaker that night so I went there

1540
01:18:54,970 --> 01:18:52,730
and Mary went with me and at that point

1541
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:54,980
we were just developing this and we the

1542
01:18:58,570 --> 01:18:56,810
original title was the experience but

1543
01:19:00,189 --> 01:18:58,580
you know Jeremy's got that title for a

1544
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:00,199
show and I didn't want to use that and

1545
01:19:03,970 --> 01:19:01,760
then we had other titles and somebody at

1546
01:19:06,850 --> 01:19:03,980
that and who were really in a conundrum

1547
01:19:08,379 --> 01:19:06,860
about the whole thing and so we're

1548
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:08,389
sitting there listening to Whitley talk

1549
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:10,010
and what Whitley started to speak about

1550
01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:14,570
was the fact that we really don't know

1551
01:19:18,339 --> 01:19:16,550
what we're dealing with we don't know

1552
01:19:20,050 --> 01:19:18,349
what this intelligence is we don't know

1553
01:19:22,899 --> 01:19:20,060
where it's from we don't know what it

1554
01:19:26,859 --> 01:19:22,909
means particularly only that it's real

1555
01:19:30,490 --> 01:19:26,869
and then he said but something is there

1556
01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:30,500
mm-hmm and he doesn't remember it which

1557
01:19:35,379 --> 01:19:32,630
is funny he takes my word for it I said

1558
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,389
you're the creator of the title Mary and

1559
01:19:39,609 --> 01:19:36,800
I looked at each other and said that's

1560
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:39,619
it that's just like the most perfect

1561
01:19:44,770 --> 01:19:41,690
title he could possibly have because it

1562
01:19:48,010 --> 01:19:44,780
really describes it quite well

1563
01:19:49,450 --> 01:19:48,020
and I don't know exactly what I'm

1564
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:49,460
dealing with I can tell you what I think

1565
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:54,290
I can tell you or how I feel but I you

1566
01:19:59,660 --> 01:19:56,239
know I don't know where it's from and I

1567
01:20:02,540 --> 01:19:59,670
don't know particularly

1568
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:02,550
if what I'm seeing is actually truly

1569
01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:04,770
physically what I'm seeing or it's a

1570
01:20:13,570 --> 01:20:08,280
projection you know and we're not seeing

1571
01:20:16,820 --> 01:20:13,580
what's really behind the curtain the the

1572
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:16,830
the feelings can also change over the

1573
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:21,570
years and I think that well you know

1574
01:20:26,150 --> 01:20:24,000
you're friends with Whitley and and and

1575
01:20:31,730 --> 01:20:26,160
so am i and I've discussed this with him

1576
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:31,740
a lot his I think his feelings have also

1577
01:20:37,310 --> 01:20:35,850
changed as to what he had experienced

1578
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:37,320
not only in the distant past but

1579
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:40,920
continues to this day and his his his

1580
01:20:50,510 --> 01:20:47,430
ideas behind it have developed into two

1581
01:20:53,210 --> 01:20:50,520
other opinions and ideas is it the same

1582
01:20:55,820 --> 01:20:53,220
thing for you now too as well did you go

1583
01:20:59,810 --> 01:20:55,830
from one extreme to another trying to

1584
01:21:01,160 --> 01:20:59,820
figure this out yes I did I always tried

1585
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:01,170
to keep an open mind to my own

1586
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:03,690
experience and always tried to be have a

1587
01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:06,810
healthy skepticism about it too and try

1588
01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:09,870
to eliminate all the possibilities of

1589
01:21:15,470 --> 01:21:12,270
what could be causing me to have these

1590
01:21:19,340 --> 01:21:15,480
experiences which I really was never

1591
01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:19,350
able to quite do and in fact you know up

1592
01:21:25,190 --> 01:21:23,670
to 1987 when communion came out I knew

1593
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:25,200
something was up I knew something was

1594
01:21:30,650 --> 01:21:27,120
going on but I still had not talked to

1595
01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:30,660
anyone about it and when I saw Whitley

1596
01:21:35,180 --> 01:21:33,390
on TV and I saw that book cover that's

1597
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:35,190
kind of when all hell broke out I read

1598
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:36,780
the book and that this is when I knew

1599
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:40,110
that here's someone I don't know I've

1600
01:21:43,940 --> 01:21:41,850
never met before spending time with had

1601
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:43,950
no way of communicating what with and

1602
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:47,610
yet we had more than similar stories and

1603
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:51,210
in parallel in so many ways growing up

1604
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:55,250
and having these experiences so the

1605
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:00,920
scene with you and your grandfather is

1606
01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:04,440
pretty extraordinary I mean in every

1607
01:22:09,580 --> 01:22:05,870
sense of

1608
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:09,590
the definition of a extraordinary tell

1609
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:13,550
us about that and how how old were you

1610
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:18,140
when when that occurred approximately

1611
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:24,650
the same age I was maybe seven but my

1612
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:26,960
grandfather used to tell me tales of

1613
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:28,430
being in Ireland and the fact that he

1614
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:30,590
saw little people and that he heard the

1615
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:33,050
Banshee one night and a lot of other

1616
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:36,410
stuff and they were great bedtime tales

1617
01:22:41,770 --> 01:22:39,310
and then one night we were out walking

1618
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,780
at night as we often would do with the

1619
01:22:45,340 --> 01:22:43,520
binoculars because the stars of Marin

1620
01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:45,350
County this was right where the Frank

1621
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:47,420
Lloyd Wright Civic Center is now were

1622
01:22:52,020 --> 01:22:49,970
amazing because it was just us little

1623
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:52,030
towns and the venetie I recently visited

1624
01:22:58,450 --> 01:22:54,890
went back to the site and we're out

1625
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,460
there and we saw this orange ball and it

1626
01:23:02,860 --> 01:23:00,800
kept coming closer and closer to us and

1627
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:02,870
then it just kind of parked itself over

1628
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:06,800
us and I knew then it wasn't a meteor I

1629
01:23:11,890 --> 01:23:09,620
didn't know what it was he didn't either

1630
01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:11,900
of course what happened after that and

1631
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:14,840
if it laughed it took off moved off very

1632
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:17,600
quickly we went inside and we're

1633
01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:19,070
discussing it and that's when my grand

1634
01:23:24,340 --> 01:23:20,990
mother came in and she was this huge

1635
01:23:27,850 --> 01:23:24,350
skeptic and she was always busting his

1636
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:27,860
chops about his tall tales but I knew at

1637
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:31,730
that moment that I just seemed something

1638
01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:33,170
with him and that wasn't the first time

1639
01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:34,820
and another time I saw a ghost with them

1640
01:23:41,410 --> 01:23:39,260
so I knew that he was telling the truth

1641
01:23:43,210 --> 01:23:41,420
what did he say to you I know it's

1642
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:43,220
portrayed in the film but what what did

1643
01:23:50,410 --> 01:23:45,890
he what did he say when you two were

1644
01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:50,420
alone well after the incident he took me

1645
01:23:53,860 --> 01:23:52,550
you know I was as I stayed in his little

1646
01:23:55,420 --> 01:23:53,870
study at night when I'd spend the

1647
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:55,430
weekends there and I loved being there

1648
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,840
and he told me about this story and he

1649
01:24:04,690 --> 01:24:02,000
was taking his mother home and and it

1650
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:04,700
was in a carriage with a horse and the

1651
01:24:10,210 --> 01:24:07,490
horse would not pass the old churchyard

1652
01:24:11,740 --> 01:24:10,220
it was dark the horse was frightened out

1653
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:11,750
of its mind and there's something

1654
01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:14,570
disturbing it that was in the bushes and

1655
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:16,940
so he got out and he went through them

1656
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:21,110
and he got inside the tree lying there

1657
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:23,720
right up against the church and he could

1658
01:24:29,050 --> 01:24:27,050
see someone sitting there with a hat on

1659
01:24:32,110 --> 01:24:29,060
it was its head down and he looked down

1660
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:32,120
at it he said it had feet that looked

1661
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:34,850
like hooves and it looked at him and it

1662
01:24:39,810 --> 01:24:37,010
scared the hell out of him and he eat me

1663
01:24:42,670 --> 01:24:39,820
from his perspective in those days and

1664
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:42,680
it was a thought it might been the devil

1665
01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:46,610
or something like that but it scared him

1666
01:24:50,980 --> 01:24:49,190
so badly and he never forgot it and he

1667
01:24:55,780 --> 01:24:50,990
told me that tale of course you know

1668
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:55,790
fast forward to today and the

1669
01:24:59,140 --> 01:24:57,890
fascinating thing about the greys when

1670
01:25:03,340 --> 01:24:59,150
I've been able to look at their feet

1671
01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:03,350
they do resemble hoofed or clothed feet

1672
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:08,780
no yeah Wow and of course this was

1673
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:09,890
something that caught Whitley's

1674
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,440
attention when we were first meeting and

1675
01:25:15,940 --> 01:25:14,000
I described the feet he said you know

1676
01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:15,950
most people don't know or report that

1677
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:19,870
because he knew about it as well so the

1678
01:25:28,180 --> 01:25:25,550
also reminds me of childhoods and yeah

1679
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:28,190
that's that's an incredible book I wish

1680
01:25:33,790 --> 01:25:30,530
somebody would make that movie correctly

1681
01:25:36,730 --> 01:25:33,800
but there it is the sci-fi version

1682
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,740
wasn't too bad yeah you know it's a

1683
01:25:40,690 --> 01:25:38,480
three-parter and I'm glad they did it

1684
01:25:44,170 --> 01:25:40,700
like that because there's so much to

1685
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:44,180
tell in that story but and they

1686
01:25:49,300 --> 01:25:46,130
modernized it you know and made it you

1687
01:25:52,140 --> 01:25:49,310
know update for it updated for today but

1688
01:26:00,160 --> 01:25:52,150
nonetheless the story and the ending are

1689
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,170
incredible the whole idea on who or the

1690
01:26:07,210 --> 01:26:02,960
vision of who et could actually look

1691
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:07,220
like is pretty wild especially when we

1692
01:26:11,230 --> 01:26:09,350
look at all aspects of religion of

1693
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:11,240
course you know who I'm referring to

1694
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:13,970
horns and hooves and oh yes I'm talking

1695
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:19,610
about here now okay so going back to

1696
01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:26,570
this with your grandfather in the in in

1697
01:26:32,109 --> 01:26:30,440
the episode the orange light looks like

1698
01:26:35,679 --> 01:26:32,119
it actually gets pretty close

1699
01:26:39,310 --> 01:26:35,689
to you guys how how how closed down did

1700
01:26:42,489 --> 01:26:39,320
it get real close like that and it had

1701
01:26:44,199 --> 01:26:42,499
this sense of flames around it and there

1702
01:26:53,259 --> 01:26:44,209
was a slight ruffling sound remember

1703
01:26:55,629 --> 01:26:53,269
hearing the it was okay I need to ask

1704
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:55,639
these things as fundamentally as I can

1705
01:27:01,089 --> 01:26:58,639
because it's done so well the way that

1706
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:01,099
you've done the visuals it was close

1707
01:27:08,859 --> 01:27:05,209
enough for you as as a seven year old to

1708
01:27:13,409 --> 01:27:08,869
know that it wasn't a meteor or

1709
01:27:17,709 --> 01:27:13,419
something else it was it was a craft you

1710
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:17,719
know when I was that age and when I was

1711
01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:19,129
there with my grandfather that night I

1712
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:20,840
didn't know what it was it was I was

1713
01:27:25,209 --> 01:27:23,780
mystified by it because I've always been

1714
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:25,219
a space nut I've always studied

1715
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:27,050
astronomy and you know I always had all

1716
01:27:31,810 --> 01:27:28,729
the charts on the wall of the solar

1717
01:27:33,609 --> 01:27:31,820
system and and I constantly watched the

1718
01:27:36,369 --> 01:27:33,619
night skies and I've seen plenty of

1719
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:36,379
meteors meteorites were some quite large

1720
01:27:42,009 --> 01:27:39,169
ones with big plumes on him and this was

1721
01:27:44,649 --> 01:27:42,019
nothing like that later on I found out

1722
01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:44,659
that many people who have experiences

1723
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:47,329
also solved the orange balls and as

1724
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:50,090
recently as the fourth of July I had a

1725
01:27:54,909 --> 01:27:53,090
friend over here the other night I think

1726
01:27:57,369 --> 01:27:54,919
that's when I talked to you the first

1727
01:27:59,709 --> 01:27:57,379
time and we were at the winery together

1728
01:28:01,149 --> 01:27:59,719
Tate went wine-tasting party we came

1729
01:28:05,529 --> 01:28:01,159
back over here to studio hung out and

1730
01:28:07,029 --> 01:28:05,539
said so Steve how was your fourth of

1731
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:07,039
July and he was kind of uncomfortable

1732
01:28:14,350 --> 01:28:11,090
and I find John why he says well and

1733
01:28:15,699 --> 01:28:14,360
anything strange happened I said no what

1734
01:28:17,109 --> 01:28:15,709
do you what are you searching for here

1735
01:28:21,759 --> 01:28:17,119
he says well it's just that we saw these

1736
01:28:25,810 --> 01:28:21,769
orange balls two of them so they're

1737
01:28:28,119 --> 01:28:25,820
still seeing and I don't know if it's a

1738
01:28:31,149 --> 01:28:28,129
craft I don't know if it's something

1739
01:28:33,549 --> 01:28:31,159
that's interdimensional or comes through

1740
01:28:37,179 --> 01:28:33,559
time I just I have no idea all I can do

1741
01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:37,189
is report what I saw I felt there was

1742
01:28:41,919 --> 01:28:39,320
something a consciousness behind it it

1743
01:28:43,179 --> 01:28:41,929
definitely took notice to us and that's

1744
01:28:44,830 --> 01:28:43,189
the best I can offer

1745
01:28:47,470 --> 01:28:44,840
until we get

1746
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,480
more data on it what do you what do you

1747
01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:50,480
make of because you've been following

1748
01:28:58,060 --> 01:28:54,590
and researching this subject for so long

1749
01:29:00,490 --> 01:28:58,070
now there are those out there that talk

1750
01:29:04,419 --> 01:29:00,500
about a net negative aspect to all of

1751
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:04,429
this and those out there that say that

1752
01:29:07,810 --> 01:29:06,440
it's nothing but positive of course you

1753
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:07,820
know you have some that are right down

1754
01:29:12,339 --> 01:29:09,050
the middle too as well where it's going

1755
01:29:16,990 --> 01:29:12,349
to be both but with your experiences

1756
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:17,000
what do you think is going on what do I

1757
01:29:21,070 --> 01:29:18,920
think is going on well you know it goes

1758
01:29:25,209 --> 01:29:21,080
back to 2001 it seems to me that

1759
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:25,219
something is been watching over us for a

1760
01:29:29,979 --> 01:29:27,409
very very long time and it may have had

1761
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:29,989
something to do with our evolution much

1762
01:29:37,660 --> 01:29:33,679
like it does in 2001 that it's it stays

1763
01:29:41,379 --> 01:29:37,670
in the shadows but I think my gut tells

1764
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:41,389
me that it has a lot of hope for us to

1765
01:29:46,209 --> 01:29:44,480
evolve into something with a great deal

1766
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:46,219
more consciousness then we're possessing

1767
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:49,190
now and more intelligence that will

1768
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,810
enable us to leave earth and explore the

1769
01:29:58,689 --> 01:29:56,000
rest of our universe which is something

1770
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:58,699
we really need to do I think as a race

1771
01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:02,000
of beings we will will change a great

1772
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,070
deal once we do that I think we'll stop

1773
01:30:08,890 --> 01:30:07,040
focusing and all the pity fights and

1774
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,900
issues and territorial disputes and

1775
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:10,639
everything else that's going on and if

1776
01:30:15,660 --> 01:30:12,650
you look at 2001 it's really what it's

1777
01:30:17,890 --> 01:30:15,670
about I mean it goes from moon watcher

1778
01:30:21,850 --> 01:30:17,900
throwing that bone up into the air

1779
01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:21,860
mm-hmm to the next thing you see is that

1780
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:27,980
orbiting nucular bomb the I've kind of

1781
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:31,730
take a break right here but the the days

1782
01:30:37,450 --> 01:30:34,510
of disclosure seemed to be upon us Steve

1783
01:30:40,780 --> 01:30:37,460
yeah you know this is a subject that is

1784
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:40,790
that has been in the mass media it's

1785
01:30:45,820 --> 01:30:43,130
kind of died out a little bit but

1786
01:30:50,859 --> 01:30:45,830
certainly December and January February

1787
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:50,869
or March everybody was talking about the

1788
01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:55,010
UFO question do you think that it the

1789
01:30:58,529 --> 01:30:56,169
agenda

1790
01:31:02,100 --> 01:30:58,539
and disclosure is here do you think it's

1791
01:31:05,370 --> 01:31:02,110
gonna continue to be in the public

1792
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:05,380
spotlight like it has been I'm hoping

1793
01:31:09,179 --> 01:31:07,209
that it does I was actually quite

1794
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:09,189
surprised when the Pentagon released the

1795
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:11,169
videos and allowed the pilots to speak I

1796
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:13,570
was also really surprised when they saw

1797
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:15,519
that it hit every single piece of

1798
01:31:20,129 --> 01:31:18,159
mainstream media out there that's never

1799
01:31:22,529 --> 01:31:20,139
happened before it's quite significant

1800
01:31:25,109 --> 01:31:22,539
and then in light of that more documents

1801
01:31:26,699 --> 01:31:25,119
released Brits the British released more

1802
01:31:30,149 --> 01:31:26,709
documents and they're really not

1803
01:31:33,359 --> 01:31:30,159
covering up a lot ditch the evidence the

1804
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:33,369
proof that something is there is right

1805
01:31:38,459 --> 01:31:35,249
under our noses the whole time

1806
01:31:42,659 --> 01:31:38,469
III yeah I think that's exactly where

1807
01:31:44,909 --> 01:31:42,669
we're at I just want you know the foot

1808
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:44,919
to stay I want the pedal to stay

1809
01:31:51,359 --> 01:31:49,780
depressed right yeah I do too I I think

1810
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:51,369
that's where we are I don't know where

1811
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,510
it's gonna go

1812
01:31:56,699 --> 01:31:54,880
but if it's gonna get better can you

1813
01:31:59,909 --> 01:31:56,709
imagine what is next our guest tonight

1814
01:32:01,949 --> 01:31:59,919
is Steve Neil that's right special

1815
01:32:03,929 --> 01:32:01,959
effects team Neil he is here this is

1816
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:03,939
fade to black stay with us we'll be

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folks what can I say without making

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claims

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seaweedy is truly the buzzword for

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health what does it do government

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institutions will not allow me to say

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what this wonderful oil does for us but

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I can say it's non-gmo and organic I can

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say it's point zero zero three THC which

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in plain English means you won't get

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high there are those that want to squash

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your freedom to buy natural products

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fight back with the purchase power in

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the end it is you that takes care of

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your health go to ancient life oil calm

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one more time ancient life oil calm you

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are listening to fade to black

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with Jimmy Church on the game change in

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01:35:13,910 --> 01:35:11,880
network hi I'm Lisa Vance you're

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listening to Jimmy Church this is a

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01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:16,860
revolution the revolution will not be

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televised the revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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you

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welcome back beta-blockers Jimmy Church

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I guess tonight Steve Neil is here we're

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talking about his his new series that he

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01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:15,690
has directed and written and it is

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called but something is there it's about

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01:36:24,410 --> 01:36:21,810
his experience that's experiences that

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01:36:26,180 --> 01:36:24,420
started back when he was six years old

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and this segment of fade to black has

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probably brought to you about ancient

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life oil I'm holding it up for the

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cameras right there there you go ancient

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01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:35,430
life oil ancient life oil calm I do this

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is the sentiment normally I do the

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natural CBD but this is cinnamons

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ancient life oil calm now

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okay Steve man I can only imagine what

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01:36:58,670 --> 01:36:55,170
memories you had locked up inside you

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01:37:03,020 --> 01:36:58,680
and you went how did you meet Yvonne

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01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:03,030
Smith well I read about her in UFO

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01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:06,480
magazine which was produced by Don Ecker

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01:37:16,540 --> 01:37:13,070
and Vicky that was the first kind of

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01:37:19,970 --> 01:37:16,550
entrance for me into the UFO community

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01:37:22,250 --> 01:37:19,980
was finding their their magazine and I

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01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:22,260
thought it was very level-headed and

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01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,180
very straightforward reporting it wasn't

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very wasn't sensationalized and Don was

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01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:31,280
always a class act when it came to being

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01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:34,110
to being very scientific about his

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01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:37,310
approach to studying this phenomenon and

1914
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:41,820
not wearing a tinfoil hat so and then I

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01:37:46,490 --> 01:37:44,070
saw an article about a von Smith and it

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01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:46,500
was about her support group now at this

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01:37:51,850 --> 01:37:48,480
point I I knew something was going on I

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01:37:54,140 --> 01:37:51,860
knew that this was happening to me and

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there were experiences happening right

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at that time the hypnosis was great but

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01:38:01,300 --> 01:37:59,610
I really wanted to connect with other

1922
01:38:04,670 --> 01:38:01,310
people who were having these experiences

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01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:04,680
so it was quite amazing

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to sit in a support group with these

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people who I later became friends with

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and still and friends with some of them

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01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:14,880
today like Jesse long and Johnstone and

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some others

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and to hear their stories because I'd

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01:38:26,060 --> 01:38:21,929
never met these people before he could

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this is around 1989 1990 and the

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Internet's not a real big thing and so I

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01:38:33,589 --> 01:38:31,829
had no connection with these people

1934
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:33,599
these experiences and yet they would

1935
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describe the same things and it was

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eerie I got more out of that than did

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01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,999
Whitley's book because now I got to hear

1938
01:38:46,189 --> 01:38:44,400
people from all walks of life and most

1939
01:38:47,989 --> 01:38:46,199
of them who did not want to be public

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01:38:51,379 --> 01:38:47,999
about it didn't want their families to

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01:38:52,479 --> 01:38:51,389
know tell their stories and I cut to

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01:38:55,759 --> 01:38:52,489
hear things that would just

1943
01:38:57,649 --> 01:38:55,769
mind-boggling and that I actually plan

1944
01:39:02,149 --> 01:38:57,659
to later on work into some of the other

1945
01:39:04,879 --> 01:39:02,159
episodes but something is there dosis

1946
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:04,889
was amazing too so I will get back to

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01:39:12,649 --> 01:39:08,159
that in a second have you seen the

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01:39:16,339 --> 01:39:12,659
series people of Earth know do you know

1949
01:39:18,859 --> 01:39:16,349
what it is I've heard about it

1950
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,869
okay but it's it's isn't a series of

1951
01:39:22,939 --> 01:39:20,340
interviews of people who have these

1952
01:39:26,839 --> 01:39:22,949
experiences it's much better than that

1953
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:26,849
it's off it's a comedy okay yes I have

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01:39:34,910 --> 01:39:28,380
heard about I have not seen it though

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01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:34,920
you've got two you look first off you're

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01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:38,280
gonna watch that and you the I know

1957
01:39:42,620 --> 01:39:40,050
exactly what's gonna go through your

1958
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:42,630
mind and now it may be a comedy and it

1959
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,050
is funny you know it when when you're

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01:39:49,549 --> 01:39:47,760
part of our community and you see

1961
01:39:51,649 --> 01:39:49,559
something like that done with such

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01:39:53,959 --> 01:39:51,659
respect and and it's so funny

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01:39:57,890 --> 01:39:53,969
mm-hmm I know what's gonna go through

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your mind somebody talked right because

1965
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:01,679
the attention to detail whoever is on

1966
01:40:06,620 --> 01:40:04,010
those the team of writers they're

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01:40:09,020 --> 01:40:06,630
somebody's an experiencer somebody is

1968
01:40:12,919 --> 01:40:09,030
sat through or one of these groups maybe

1969
01:40:14,330 --> 01:40:12,929
even Yvonne's and and and wrote about it

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01:40:18,169 --> 01:40:14,340
because some of the other things and

1971
01:40:20,839 --> 01:40:18,179
it's it's the words as the terminology

1972
01:40:25,009 --> 01:40:20,849
it's the visuals they go to a UFO

1973
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:25,019
conference right right right

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it is it is it is just so well done

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01:40:32,459 --> 01:40:29,170
anyway just you need to

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01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:32,469
check it out its I will and I have no

1977
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:34,570
problem laughing about this stuff and

1978
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,250
making fun of it because if you can't

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have a good laugh at something like this

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then you're taking it maybe a bit more

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01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:43,570
seriously than you should yeah you're

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01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:46,090
right and and Rita my wife and I you

1983
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:48,250
know we're watching it and we're

1984
01:40:52,470 --> 01:40:50,050
laughing we're having a great time and

1985
01:40:56,850 --> 01:40:52,480
and also saying ATLA this was this was

1986
01:40:58,890 --> 01:40:56,860
made for us how do these things get

1987
01:41:02,610 --> 01:40:58,900
funded you you you wonder you know

1988
01:41:06,510 --> 01:41:02,620
because somebody out there with some

1989
01:41:11,220 --> 01:41:06,520
money probably had had the experience or

1990
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:11,230
knew someone that did so now when one of

1991
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:14,290
the points that you you just mentioned

1992
01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:16,330
but you also mentioned this in the in

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01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:19,270
the first episode is that you got more

1994
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out of sitting there with the other

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experiencers not so much the two were

1996
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:30,790
discovering new stuff because that

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01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,880
wasn't your point your point was you

1998
01:41:41,729 --> 01:41:35,679
were hearing things that you thought

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01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:41,739
only you knew tell me about that oh you

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01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:43,570
know it's it's difficult to know where

2001
01:41:51,209 --> 01:41:46,660
to start but it would be about how they

2002
01:41:53,220 --> 01:41:51,219
described being inside of what they

2003
01:41:57,810 --> 01:41:53,230
thought were it was a spacecraft I've

2004
01:42:02,310 --> 01:41:57,820
never been clear on that but the way it

2005
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:02,320
looked inside the lighting the way the

2006
01:42:09,630 --> 01:42:06,130
beings moved the way they described him

2007
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:09,640
the instruments that I knew about that I

2008
01:42:15,330 --> 01:42:11,770
hadn't shared that they knew about that

2009
01:42:16,820 --> 01:42:15,340
were similar these little like probes so

2010
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:16,830
god there's that word again

2011
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:20,290
right but not that kind of probe the

2012
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:21,730
kind that they held his real bright

2013
01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:23,320
light at the end of it and there was so

2014
01:42:29,010 --> 01:42:26,920
many little details that really got me

2015
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:29,020
but one of the things that got me the

2016
01:42:35,790 --> 01:42:33,550
most was I had an experience I thought

2017
01:42:42,689 --> 01:42:35,800
it was just a dream and I was with this

2018
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:42,699
woman a redheaded lady and they had

2019
01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:48,610
together and we were in this room and so

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01:42:53,729 --> 01:42:52,510
I'm I'm at the support group and Vaughn

2021
01:42:58,020 --> 01:42:53,739
says I want to introduce a new member

2022
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:58,030
and she comes in and I looked at her and

2023
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:00,639
she looked at me and it was completely

2024
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:04,170
shocking we both knew each other on site

2025
01:43:11,790 --> 01:43:08,650
things like this happened wait wait wait

2026
01:43:21,870 --> 01:43:11,800
wait wait whoa whoa pump pump the brakes

2027
01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:21,880
here what are you saying here not

2028
01:43:29,370 --> 01:43:24,880
suggesting what are you saying that you

2029
01:43:31,410 --> 01:43:29,380
two were on a craft together you know

2030
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:31,420
there's that I don't know that it's a

2031
01:43:36,089 --> 01:43:34,510
craft you know when I so many times when

2032
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:36,099
I would see an object approaching me

2033
01:43:39,509 --> 01:43:37,900
would be black hole moving across the

2034
01:43:41,489 --> 01:43:39,519
stars and that's how I knew there was

2035
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:41,499
something there then lights came out of

2036
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,650
it next thing I knew after being pulled

2037
01:43:49,949 --> 01:43:47,199
up into it if I remember that much I

2038
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:49,959
would be in some sort of facility and I

2039
01:43:55,259 --> 01:43:53,440
really was quite large and I really felt

2040
01:43:59,069 --> 01:43:55,269
more like you were inside a structure

2041
01:44:03,680 --> 01:43:59,079
not a craft so but yes I was with her in

2042
01:44:07,229 --> 01:44:03,690
a room and they were trying to get us to

2043
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:07,239
have an affair to put it lightly I I

2044
01:44:11,339 --> 01:44:09,130
don't know what the censorship is on

2045
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:11,349
this on this radio station so I'll just

2046
01:44:16,799 --> 01:44:13,209
leave it at that yeah okay we can use

2047
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:16,809
our imagination there baidu you've heard

2048
01:44:22,199 --> 01:44:18,510
about this happening where they put

2049
01:44:25,739 --> 01:44:22,209
people together and they want them to

2050
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:25,749
interact sexually so that something is

2051
01:44:33,209 --> 01:44:28,570
produced out of that as a result I'm not

2052
01:44:34,830 --> 01:44:33,219
sure what it is but it happens and I you

2053
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:34,840
know I took all this pretty much as

2054
01:44:38,339 --> 01:44:36,249
grain of salt because it could have been

2055
01:44:40,770 --> 01:44:38,349
just a dream but when you see the same

2056
01:44:43,319 --> 01:44:40,780
person walk in and you recognize them

2057
01:44:47,060 --> 01:44:43,329
and then they recognize you that was

2058
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:47,070
pretty amazing now I know this was 1990

2059
01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:51,280
are you 13 1991 right in there are you

2060
01:44:57,250 --> 01:44:54,230
still in touch with her today no I

2061
01:45:02,170 --> 01:44:57,260
not okay the group has really changed

2062
01:45:05,020 --> 01:45:02,180
since then and I go to them on occasion

2063
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:05,030
because Ivana and I are friends and I

2064
01:45:09,550 --> 01:45:07,130
will put in appearances there and talk

2065
01:45:11,740 --> 01:45:09,560
to the members there and some of our the

2066
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:11,750
original members but not many maybe two

2067
01:45:22,210 --> 01:45:16,480
or three of them the reason why I ask is

2068
01:45:26,580 --> 01:45:22,220
after that group meeting that night did

2069
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:26,590
you two talk yeah we did and we started

2070
01:45:35,590 --> 01:45:31,600
talking a great deal more and basically

2071
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:35,600
you know I kind of because I was married

2072
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,790
I had to to to back off on it because

2073
01:45:46,020 --> 01:45:42,800
there was an attraction there

2074
01:45:48,610 --> 01:45:46,030
I know Whitley has warned me of this

2075
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:48,620
more recently saying that you you will

2076
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,330
be automatically in a sense attracted to

2077
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:55,760
another person of the opposite sex

2078
01:46:00,820 --> 01:45:58,010
that's having these experiences that it

2079
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:00,830
can happen and and to be aware of that

2080
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:04,010
and it certainly was true and then I

2081
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:07,610
read that yeah it really was so well

2082
01:46:16,540 --> 01:46:12,650
Steve did you guys compare notes yeah we

2083
01:46:18,580 --> 01:46:16,550
did and you know and I told her what I

2084
01:46:22,810 --> 01:46:18,590
remembered and she told me that she

2085
01:46:25,510 --> 01:46:22,820
remembered the same thing most pretty

2086
01:46:30,220 --> 01:46:25,520
much the same and it was I mean what do

2087
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:30,230
you do with that you know it's still

2088
01:46:37,660 --> 01:46:33,130
hard for me to believe but it did happen

2089
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:37,670
did okay well let's let's let's explore

2090
01:46:45,340 --> 01:46:43,010
this a little bit yes you guys met again

2091
01:46:48,780 --> 01:46:45,350
at the support group but let's go back

2092
01:46:53,530 --> 01:46:48,790
to the encounter in this room somewhere

2093
01:46:55,210 --> 01:46:53,540
did things go to the next level or did

2094
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:55,220
they not happen no that's what I

2095
01:46:58,180 --> 01:46:55,930
remember

2096
01:47:03,100 --> 01:46:58,190
and there were there were other times

2097
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:03,110
when that also happened and I never

2098
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:05,690
meant the person okay you know it just

2099
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:07,890
didn't happen and there were other times

2100
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:13,650
when the female wasn't didn't look human

2101
01:47:22,150 --> 01:47:16,800
and I did it drawing which I'm going to

2102
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,160
put on on on stellar probably tomorrow

2103
01:47:27,620 --> 01:47:25,440
of this sort of well they were fear too

2104
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:27,630
as china dolls and the here's a here's

2105
01:47:32,150 --> 01:47:29,370
another case of where I thought I was

2106
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:32,160
the only one that this happened to and I

2107
01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:33,930
had this experience that come to in a

2108
01:47:39,670 --> 01:47:35,880
metal table and sitting on top of me is

2109
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:39,680
this sort of perfectly proportioned body

2110
01:47:45,170 --> 01:47:43,560
female with bob dark hair and dark his

2111
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:45,180
eyes they weren't pure black but they

2112
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:47,250
were kind of bigger and they were they

2113
01:47:53,750 --> 01:47:52,260
were dark you mean and it was I mean she

2114
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:53,760
had total control of me and I had no

2115
01:47:57,620 --> 01:47:55,770
control of what was going on whatsoever

2116
01:48:02,990 --> 01:47:57,630
and she almost seemed to take delight in

2117
01:48:05,780 --> 01:48:03,000
it well later on I started hearing from

2118
01:48:07,550 --> 01:48:05,790
other people that they had the same

2119
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:07,560
experience and in fact one of my friend

2120
01:48:13,460 --> 01:48:11,310
of mine I'm still in touch with sent me

2121
01:48:16,300 --> 01:48:13,470
some drawings of what he saw and they

2122
01:48:20,110 --> 01:48:16,310
were absolutely identical to my drawings

2123
01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:20,120
I'm almost picturing like in Nagle a

2124
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:23,820
Nagel yeah you know the painter

2125
01:48:34,970 --> 01:48:30,420
oh well almost like a Keane painting

2126
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:34,980
yeah yeah it kind of you know I mean

2127
01:48:43,730 --> 01:48:38,130
slightly Asian and that wasn't the the

2128
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:43,740
last time I saw these beings and so now

2129
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:49,050
were they were they biological or were

2130
01:48:57,530 --> 01:48:53,520
they well you know and though its she

2131
01:48:59,570 --> 01:48:57,540
seemed absolutely biological I mean the

2132
01:49:02,750 --> 01:48:59,580
the Anatomy was very human it's just

2133
01:49:05,290 --> 01:49:02,760
that the that that the eyes were so

2134
01:49:08,900 --> 01:49:05,300
different and the features very slight

2135
01:49:12,370 --> 01:49:08,910
are you are you comfortable in talking

2136
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:12,380
about this oh sure why not everybody is

2137
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:15,450
because it's alright it's okay you know

2138
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:17,490
it's it's it's somewhat hard to talk

2139
01:49:20,779 --> 01:49:19,710
about sure because it's so incredibly

2140
01:49:23,899 --> 01:49:20,789
fantastic

2141
01:49:26,959 --> 01:49:23,909
it's just like in my show when the

2142
01:49:29,149 --> 01:49:26,969
during the talk-show scene and my good

2143
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:29,159
friend Steve Altman is playing the

2144
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:30,690
talk-show is that's his real name

2145
01:49:35,930 --> 01:49:33,530
actually yes Steve Wright very talented

2146
01:49:37,580 --> 01:49:35,940
comedian and he I thought he was perfect

2147
01:49:39,830 --> 01:49:37,590
for that role because I had been in that

2148
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:39,840
situation so far many times and he says

2149
01:49:44,899 --> 01:49:43,050
come on now you know this is this is so

2150
01:49:47,359 --> 01:49:44,909
fantastic you can't you see why this is

2151
01:49:48,890 --> 01:49:47,369
so unbelievable and Mark sitting here

2152
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:48,900
saying well I'm just telling you that's

2153
01:49:53,149 --> 01:49:51,480
what happened you know yes Steve Steve

2154
01:49:56,779 --> 01:49:53,159
should be a talk-show host

2155
01:49:59,540 --> 01:49:56,789
you know I mean oh he should he's he's a

2156
01:50:03,890 --> 01:49:59,550
fantastic talent yeah he is he's and

2157
01:50:08,359 --> 01:50:03,900
that's a that's a great scene now okay

2158
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:08,369
so when you started to have these

2159
01:50:15,979 --> 01:50:12,960
sessions with Yvonne were you able to

2160
01:50:21,410 --> 01:50:15,989
remember everything that came out during

2161
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:21,420
the session pretty much I had a great

2162
01:50:27,740 --> 01:50:25,409
deal of memory surrounding the events

2163
01:50:29,419 --> 01:50:27,750
but then there were these big sections

2164
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:29,429
of it that we're missing and it was

2165
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:31,530
pretty amazing stuff came out now I've

2166
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:34,650
got to point out to listeners we've all

2167
01:50:41,779 --> 01:50:37,199
heard before about hypnosis and we hear

2168
01:50:43,759 --> 01:50:41,789
how hypnotherapist can whether they do

2169
01:50:45,950 --> 01:50:43,769
it willingly or just because we're all

2170
01:50:48,140 --> 01:50:45,960
human we make mistakes sometimes they

2171
01:50:51,020 --> 01:50:48,150
will lead you how do you see do you see

2172
01:50:52,430 --> 01:50:51,030
an alien in the room and of course there

2173
01:50:54,799 --> 01:50:52,440
are those who say if they suggest that

2174
01:50:56,689 --> 01:50:54,809
then under hypnosis that's what you're

2175
01:51:01,609 --> 01:50:56,699
going to manifest I got to make this

2176
01:51:04,459 --> 01:51:01,619
really clear a Vaughn never did that she

2177
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:04,469
was absolutely pure when it came to that

2178
01:51:10,549 --> 01:51:08,000
she would just take you back to a time

2179
01:51:15,049 --> 01:51:10,559
when you remembered something happening

2180
01:51:18,740 --> 01:51:15,059
and she would ask you to relive it and

2181
01:51:21,620 --> 01:51:18,750
report to her what you were seeing and

2182
01:51:24,620 --> 01:51:21,630
feeling and that was it and some of

2183
01:51:27,500 --> 01:51:24,630
these sessions were quite amazing one

2184
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:27,510
time in particular I was we've been

2185
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:29,730
under and I've been doing a very long

2186
01:51:33,529 --> 01:51:31,530
session it was like an hour or something

2187
01:51:34,339 --> 01:51:33,539
like that and I don't remember all the

2188
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:34,349
details

2189
01:51:38,479 --> 01:51:36,209
that particular session except for one

2190
01:51:40,369 --> 01:51:38,489
part that I'll never forget and that is

2191
01:51:42,379 --> 01:51:40,379
when a Vaughn went to wake me up

2192
01:51:46,279 --> 01:51:42,389
she couldn't wake me up and that's

2193
01:51:49,159 --> 01:51:46,289
because this tall gray you've heard it

2194
01:51:51,919 --> 01:51:49,169
before who I always felt was female and

2195
01:51:54,919 --> 01:51:51,929
I felt that I had been in association

2196
01:51:56,810 --> 01:51:54,929
with this being all my life and hold on

2197
01:51:59,000 --> 01:51:56,820
my throat and she's looking at me and

2198
01:52:01,759 --> 01:51:59,010
she's saying to me why do you come to

2199
01:52:04,580 --> 01:52:01,769
this woman don't you know she can't help

2200
01:52:07,009 --> 01:52:04,590
you if I don't want to let you go I

2201
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:07,019
won't and then with the thrust of her

2202
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:09,209
hand she pushed me back let go of my

2203
01:52:14,149 --> 01:52:11,689
neck and then a Vaughn got me awake and

2204
01:52:17,179 --> 01:52:14,159
Vaughn I could tell was a little nervous

2205
01:52:22,969 --> 01:52:17,189
you know because and what she asked what

2206
01:52:25,399 --> 01:52:22,979
happened and I told her the okay the

2207
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:25,409
timespan that we're talking here six

2208
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:31,369
years old to these very adult

2209
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:34,530
experiences that were going how old were

2210
01:52:45,020 --> 01:52:40,619
you when the adult side of these things

2211
01:52:47,869 --> 01:52:45,030
were happening I have to say high school

2212
01:52:52,939 --> 01:52:47,879
high school so we're talking about a

2213
01:52:55,069 --> 01:52:52,949
10-year span yeah okay I mean it's been

2214
01:52:58,459 --> 01:52:55,079
constant off and on off and on and

2215
01:53:00,259 --> 01:52:58,469
throughout my life well we're gonna get

2216
01:53:04,879 --> 01:53:00,269
to that we're going to get to that but

2217
01:53:10,549 --> 01:53:04,889
this 10-year span that I want to get to

2218
01:53:12,290 --> 01:53:10,559
you just mentioned this female tall gray

2219
01:53:15,139 --> 01:53:12,300
with the hand on your throat that you

2220
01:53:17,989 --> 01:53:15,149
thought was with you from the entire

2221
01:53:20,139 --> 01:53:17,999
time was that indeed the case and

2222
01:53:25,369 --> 01:53:20,149
especially looking back now was it

2223
01:53:30,979 --> 01:53:25,379
contact from the the very same being or

2224
01:53:32,839 --> 01:53:30,989
entity I just had a very funny sensation

2225
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:32,849
while you're asking me that the answer

2226
01:53:38,750 --> 01:53:35,489
was yes Wow

2227
01:53:41,029 --> 01:53:38,760
and it goes back further than six years

2228
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:41,039
old because if you've been on on stellar

2229
01:53:47,389 --> 01:53:44,639
you I know you are and then and by the

2230
01:53:48,209 --> 01:53:47,399
way we so much appreciate this on

2231
01:53:50,489 --> 01:53:48,219
stellar it's

2232
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:50,499
fantastic but I put up a picture a

2233
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:53,440
drawing I did of a being looking through

2234
01:53:57,930 --> 01:53:56,050
the bars of a crib with a child with a

2235
01:53:59,819 --> 01:53:57,940
teddy bear sleeping did you see that

2236
01:54:06,000 --> 01:53:59,829
well I'm gonna go there now but go ahead

2237
01:54:09,779 --> 01:54:06,010
yeah it's on one of my articles that's a

2238
01:54:14,189 --> 01:54:09,789
that's a memory I have and that was that

2239
01:54:16,410 --> 01:54:14,199
predates being six years old some of

2240
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:16,420
that some of this artwork everybody

2241
01:54:23,549 --> 01:54:20,320
should go to Steve's page cinema send

2242
01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:23,559
them a friend request to as well but go

2243
01:54:29,279 --> 01:54:25,570
through and look at some of this artwork

2244
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:29,289
because it is it is beyond measure man

2245
01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:32,320
it's a oh okay yeah I'm looking at it

2246
01:54:38,549 --> 01:54:35,409
here well that's uh that's pretty creepy

2247
01:54:40,890 --> 01:54:38,559
I got was he that was done in the early

2248
01:54:43,649 --> 01:54:40,900
90s oh I had a little company called

2249
01:54:46,770 --> 01:54:43,659
dreamland effects now this predates

2250
01:54:49,379 --> 01:54:46,780
anybody else using the title and I used

2251
01:54:51,569 --> 01:54:49,389
to sell artwork and sculptures of the

2252
01:54:55,649 --> 01:54:51,579
grays even Chris Carter bought a couple

2253
01:55:00,120 --> 01:54:55,659
of them and people would see the artwork

2254
01:55:02,430 --> 01:55:00,130
also in the magazines and stuff and I

2255
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:02,440
get all this email about that one in

2256
01:55:06,029 --> 01:55:02,800
particular

2257
01:55:09,509 --> 01:55:06,039
it seemed that a great number of people

2258
01:55:12,890 --> 01:55:09,519
had that memory of that face looking at

2259
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:12,900
them when they were just an infant the

2260
01:55:21,209 --> 01:55:18,159
the well what I'm reminded of man is

2261
01:55:22,859 --> 01:55:21,219
just a crazy painting by the way watch

2262
01:55:26,279 --> 01:55:22,869
it's a pencil sketch I have pencil

2263
01:55:30,779 --> 01:55:26,289
sketch when um when I look at this was

2264
01:55:34,799 --> 01:55:30,789
this was this part of the Yvonne was

2265
01:55:36,479 --> 01:55:34,809
this a yes Vaughn I have to give up on a

2266
01:55:39,450 --> 01:55:36,489
lot of credit for this she encouraged

2267
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:39,460
she I remember tasty sesame can you draw

2268
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:41,110
could you illustrate what you're seeing

2269
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:44,110
and I said oh yeah I can do that so when

2270
01:55:48,450 --> 01:55:46,510
I ended up being an artist for her and

2271
01:55:49,859 --> 01:55:48,460
to this day in her lectures that she

2272
01:55:52,319 --> 01:55:49,869
does all around the world and

2273
01:55:54,060 --> 01:55:52,329
conventions she still uses a lot of that

2274
01:55:55,410 --> 01:55:54,070
old artwork I keep telling her I need to

2275
01:55:58,169 --> 01:55:55,420
give you some new stuff because I'm

2276
01:55:59,950 --> 01:55:58,179
better now and all this so but yeah she

2277
01:56:05,430 --> 01:55:59,960
was the one that really started that and

2278
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:05,440
I produced hundreds of pieces of art

2279
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:10,370
during that period the the other part of

2280
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:16,580
this which I need to address the the

2281
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:20,930
cover of Whitley's book and and I went

2282
01:56:24,580 --> 01:56:22,880
through the same things that not only

2283
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:24,590
you did but our entire community

2284
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:26,690
everybody remembers the first time they

2285
01:56:36,459 --> 01:56:29,210
picked up communion and and looked at

2286
01:56:39,070 --> 01:56:36,469
that cover but your your Gray's are part

2287
01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:39,080
of you know similar to my own experience

2288
01:56:43,860 --> 01:56:40,489
which I don't want to get into here on

2289
01:56:46,540 --> 01:56:43,870
the air but so many others too as well

2290
01:56:48,310 --> 01:56:46,550
how often does that happen where

2291
01:56:51,250 --> 01:56:48,320
somebody comes up and goes dude that's

2292
01:56:53,110 --> 01:56:51,260
exactly it it's still happening I've

2293
01:56:58,240 --> 01:56:53,120
still been getting now of course I get

2294
01:56:59,920 --> 01:56:58,250
emails and people are indicating that

2295
01:57:01,770 --> 01:56:59,930
all the time and that's how I met

2296
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:01,780
Whitley because he was doing the

2297
01:57:07,570 --> 01:57:04,610
chameleon comics for caliber and he

2298
01:57:10,420 --> 01:57:07,580
called me one night and said this is

2299
01:57:12,130 --> 01:57:10,430
Whitley Strieber and and he said told me

2300
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:12,140
that my grades were very accurate and

2301
01:57:16,900 --> 01:57:14,690
how did I know this kind of thing so

2302
01:57:22,479 --> 01:57:16,910
it's been happening for years and it

2303
01:57:24,820 --> 01:57:22,489
still happens it's it's been a it's been

2304
01:57:28,150 --> 01:57:24,830
an amazing amazing ride amazing trip

2305
01:57:30,100 --> 01:57:28,160
going through all this and having so

2306
01:57:31,959 --> 01:57:30,110
many people reach out to me and now of

2307
01:57:34,260 --> 01:57:31,969
course I have my book out but by the

2308
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:34,270
same title but something is there and

2309
01:57:40,450 --> 01:57:38,030
I'm getting lots of email about the book

2310
01:57:43,330 --> 01:57:40,460
too because in the book I go into real

2311
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:43,340
great detail about starting when I was

2312
01:57:48,370 --> 01:57:45,610
very young and all where present-day

2313
01:57:50,860 --> 01:57:48,380
something I couldn't do in the first

2314
01:57:52,420 --> 01:57:50,870
pilot I could just generalize what had

2315
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:52,430
happened to me to get people

2316
01:57:57,940 --> 01:57:54,410
kick-started before I go into the really

2317
01:57:59,740 --> 01:57:57,950
heavy scripts I'm writing now before we

2318
01:58:02,080 --> 01:57:59,750
move on and get to the break I wanted to

2319
01:58:08,700 --> 01:58:02,090
ask you about the inspiration behind the

2320
01:58:12,379 --> 01:58:08,710
Regina painting yeah but did you know oh

2321
01:58:14,839 --> 01:58:12,389
well I just

2322
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:14,849
always had a very strong connection with

2323
01:58:20,209 --> 01:58:17,280
them and most of the Native American

2324
01:58:24,350 --> 01:58:20,219
tribes of this country and other Native

2325
01:58:26,449 --> 01:58:24,360
American other native tribes I think in

2326
01:58:29,899 --> 01:58:26,459
part that's because my great-great-great

2327
01:58:31,489 --> 01:58:29,909
grandmother was a Blackfeet Indian and I

2328
01:58:35,149 --> 01:58:31,499
remember my grandfather in a picture of

2329
01:58:43,009 --> 01:58:35,159
her which she looked like and so I'm

2330
01:58:43,939 --> 01:58:43,019
about a quarter American Indian so that

2331
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:43,949
could be part of it

2332
01:58:48,439 --> 01:58:46,169
but I've always had a really strong

2333
01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:48,449
connection and when I saw the movie by

2334
01:58:54,620 --> 01:58:51,209
Peter Weir who's one of my next favorite

2335
01:58:57,370 --> 01:58:54,630
filmmakers to Kubrick when I saw the

2336
01:59:01,149 --> 01:58:57,380
last wave and Picnic at Hanging Rock

2337
01:59:04,339 --> 01:59:01,159
right there something just spoke to me

2338
01:59:07,729 --> 01:59:04,349
another one was the shot which he didn't

2339
01:59:10,129 --> 01:59:07,739
direct but which was an incredible film

2340
01:59:12,919 --> 01:59:10,139
too in those three films really got me

2341
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:12,929
very fascinated with David Kulu Phil who

2342
01:59:21,500 --> 01:59:18,719
of course played the aborigine in the

2343
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:21,510
last wave and he was also featured in

2344
01:59:29,239 --> 01:59:26,090
the right stuff right just fascinated me

2345
01:59:33,439 --> 01:59:29,249
and when I saw the cave paintings I

2346
01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:33,449
don't think it you know I I don't have

2347
01:59:37,899 --> 01:59:35,219
to have a house fall on me when I to

2348
01:59:41,089 --> 01:59:37,909
know that those paintings are so similar

2349
01:59:43,489 --> 01:59:41,099
to the visitors that people see today

2350
01:59:46,299 --> 01:59:43,499
that when you read the stories about

2351
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:46,309
them and what they were to the people I

2352
01:59:53,330 --> 01:59:49,110
know that something's there oh there it

2353
01:59:56,779 --> 01:59:53,340
is again this is it's just an incredible

2354
01:59:58,520 --> 01:59:56,789
painting and it it I would like to

2355
01:59:58,939 --> 01:59:58,530
almost see this in person do you still

2356
02:00:02,389 --> 01:59:58,949
have it

2357
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:02,399
it the other day I did it about a year

2358
02:00:08,659 --> 02:00:05,010
ago we actually had one person who's

2359
02:00:10,969 --> 02:00:08,669
probably listening now on on on stellar

2360
02:00:14,810 --> 02:00:10,979
complain about it that I didn't have a

2361
02:00:18,649 --> 02:00:14,820
right to do an aboriginal painting not

2362
02:00:20,810 --> 02:00:18,659
being Aboriginal and that I was gonna

2363
02:00:24,949 --> 02:00:20,820
have bad luck as a result are you

2364
02:00:26,010 --> 02:00:24,959
serious Don but you can go to well I I

2365
02:00:28,710 --> 02:00:26,020
know I

2366
02:00:30,090 --> 02:00:28,720
I trust you on that part I have to calm

2367
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:30,100
it there because I don't take comments

2368
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:33,610
down right oh I may not respond to him

2369
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:36,970
but I don't you got love social media

2370
02:00:41,610 --> 02:00:39,790
but this is incredible and I would love

2371
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:41,620
to have this hanging in the bunker this

2372
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:45,250
is uh that is just an amazing amazing

2373
02:00:49,950 --> 02:00:47,530
piece of work let's take a break right

2374
02:00:51,650 --> 02:00:49,960
here and we're going to continue all of

2375
02:00:56,030 --> 02:00:51,660
this when we come back our guest tonight

2376
02:00:58,380 --> 02:00:56,040
filmmaker special effects guru director

2377
02:01:01,230 --> 02:00:58,390
Steve Neil is here that's right we're

2378
02:01:01,800 --> 02:01:01,240
talking about as new series and it's

2379
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:01,810
called

2380
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:04,570
but something is there more with Steve

2381
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:15,520
[Music]

2382
02:01:25,700 --> 02:01:22,890
Jimmy Church radio calm this is kg are a

2383
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:25,710
digital broadcasting station Salt Lake

2384
02:01:30,950 --> 02:01:26,730
City Utah

2385
02:01:33,110 --> 02:01:30,960
Van Buren Arkansas okay nurse let's get

2386
02:01:35,090 --> 02:01:33,120
this man to the ER stat right away

2387
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:35,100
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fade to black Romero's Timmy church on

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the GameChanger network in kg RA the

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planets our guest tonight Steve Neil &

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Steve I'm just gonna tell you your work

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is now all over Twitter by the way

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everybody's got it up there are you on

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Twitter

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02:05:51,410 --> 02:05:49,440
yeah I am I I you know I I haven't been

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02:05:55,130 --> 02:05:51,420
there a lot lately or Instagram but I do

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02:05:58,940 --> 02:05:55,140
have all of those and it's like I said

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02:06:01,670 --> 02:05:58,950
it's a time issue and I do check I check

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02:06:05,260 --> 02:06:01,680
on stellar the most Facebook is like

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02:06:10,010 --> 02:06:05,270
well you know it's the necessary evil

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02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:10,020
right and I check YouTube although I'm

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02:06:15,020 --> 02:06:12,330
looking forward to real TV I hope that

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02:06:20,300 --> 02:06:15,030
works out for him well we're gonna have

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02:06:23,090 --> 02:06:20,310
over at on stellar very soon maybe in

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02:06:25,520 --> 02:06:23,100
about a week we're gonna have our own

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02:06:29,150 --> 02:06:25,530
video channels too as well so that's a

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02:06:32,660 --> 02:06:29,160
that's the next that's the next launch

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02:06:35,479 --> 02:06:32,670
that will be coming in in 1 of the next

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02:06:40,910 --> 02:06:35,489
updates I'm very excited about that

2487
02:06:45,740 --> 02:06:40,920
now the the next four episodes which you

2488
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:45,750
have written are those is it going to be

2489
02:06:52,580 --> 02:06:49,290
done in a linear fashion on your life is

2490
02:06:56,930 --> 02:06:52,590
it going to just if you know what I mean

2491
02:07:00,740 --> 02:06:56,940
a linear timeline no I thought about

2492
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:00,750
that and it's just it's not going that

2493
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:04,020
way the the next script is called The

2494
02:07:12,350 --> 02:07:08,400
Dreamtime the next one after that is

2495
02:07:16,959 --> 02:07:12,360
called strangers in the night grasping

2496
02:07:20,650 --> 02:07:16,969
it grasping at straws and skullduggery

2497
02:07:23,479 --> 02:07:20,660
are the next scripts that I'm writing

2498
02:07:28,070 --> 02:07:23,489
and each one of them goes into different

2499
02:07:32,330 --> 02:07:28,080
aspects of the experience because it's

2500
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:32,340
so it's it's it has so many aspects to

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02:07:35,899 --> 02:07:35,400
it it's not just strangers coming in the

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02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:35,909
night and

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02:07:41,209 --> 02:07:37,650
taking you out of your room and take you

2504
02:07:43,489 --> 02:07:41,219
to a different location and observing

2505
02:07:45,890 --> 02:07:43,499
you or even doing tests on you although

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02:07:47,989 --> 02:07:45,900
I've had all that done there's a great

2507
02:07:52,819 --> 02:07:47,999
deal more to it and it seems that

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02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:52,829
overall the the aspect that's most

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02:07:58,790 --> 02:07:56,249
important to me and also to the

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02:08:02,659 --> 02:07:58,800
interaction with these visitors whoever

2511
02:08:05,390 --> 02:08:02,669
they may be is that we reconnect with

2512
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:05,400
our universe and reconnect with the many

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02:08:12,020 --> 02:08:08,729
worlds that we've always existed in but

2514
02:08:14,120 --> 02:08:12,030
we have been told we don't we've been

2515
02:08:16,699 --> 02:08:14,130
told we don't have psychic abilities

2516
02:08:18,679 --> 02:08:16,709
we've been told they're not ghosts we've

2517
02:08:21,379 --> 02:08:18,689
told that you don't live after your

2518
02:08:23,659 --> 02:08:21,389
brain ceased functioning we've been told

2519
02:08:28,279 --> 02:08:23,669
all these things for years and years by

2520
02:08:33,379 --> 02:08:28,289
people in control they don't want you to

2521
02:08:37,310 --> 02:08:33,389
know that we live in multiple worlds and

2522
02:08:39,979 --> 02:08:37,320
it's difficult to to come up with

2523
02:08:42,649 --> 02:08:39,989
dialogue for this subject that really

2524
02:08:46,449 --> 02:08:42,659
works and it doesn't sound crazy it all

2525
02:08:50,299 --> 02:08:46,459
sounds crazy but one of the issues is

2526
02:08:52,609 --> 02:08:50,309
death and I've had amazing experiences

2527
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:52,619
as whitley has had and especially more

2528
02:09:04,429 --> 02:08:57,119
recently with the passing of an who I

2529
02:09:07,479 --> 02:09:04,439
missed a great deal that there is no end

2530
02:09:12,679 --> 02:09:07,489
to our consciousness or to our souls

2531
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:12,689
once we pass on I've had the same

2532
02:09:17,870 --> 02:09:14,639
experience that Whitley is that I had it

2533
02:09:21,229 --> 02:09:17,880
much earlier in life where someone died

2534
02:09:23,359 --> 02:09:21,239
I loved and came to me and told me I was

2535
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:23,369
right about all this crazy stuff and she

2536
02:09:29,449 --> 02:09:27,689
even as she was going off to leave told

2537
02:09:32,330 --> 02:09:29,459
me that I was right about the aliens -

2538
02:09:35,449 --> 02:09:32,340
that's what she called him but there was

2539
02:09:36,919 --> 02:09:35,459
absolutely no way that I knew this

2540
02:09:38,449 --> 02:09:36,929
person was going to die that they were

2541
02:09:41,719 --> 02:09:38,459
sick or anything like that it was a

2542
02:09:45,020 --> 02:09:41,729
fluke accident and I had this amazing

2543
02:09:48,569 --> 02:09:45,030
experience I wrote about my book and I

2544
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:48,579
am now finding that the

2545
02:09:55,529 --> 02:09:50,530
is a connection between the visitor

2546
02:09:59,069 --> 02:09:55,539
experience and the other side that

2547
02:10:02,549 --> 02:09:59,079
actually were those two worlds actually

2548
02:10:04,919 --> 02:10:02,559
exists together it's just as a race of

2549
02:10:12,119 --> 02:10:04,929
beings as a culture we have separated

2550
02:10:15,259 --> 02:10:12,129
ourselves from it the that aspect of it

2551
02:10:18,329 --> 02:10:15,269
I find completely fascinating and when I

2552
02:10:23,310 --> 02:10:18,339
heard this is years ago when I first

2553
02:10:27,089 --> 02:10:23,320
heard Whitley talked about that part of

2554
02:10:30,839 --> 02:10:27,099
it I really resonated with that and that

2555
02:10:33,959 --> 02:10:30,849
concept of it was something that I had

2556
02:10:37,290 --> 02:10:33,969
never felt or heard from anybody else

2557
02:10:40,759 --> 02:10:37,300
and to hear Whitley speak about it I'm

2558
02:10:46,259 --> 02:10:40,769
telling you that was a very very

2559
02:10:49,500 --> 02:10:46,269
life-changing thing for me to hear to

2560
02:10:52,919 --> 02:10:49,510
hear him presented like that and going

2561
02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:52,929
through to today as we start to find out

2562
02:11:00,149 --> 02:10:55,689
about scientifically other dimensions

2563
02:11:03,149 --> 02:11:00,159
parallel worlds multiverses and string

2564
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:03,159
theory quantum theory that this does

2565
02:11:11,849 --> 02:11:09,010
indeed exist and yes the that part of it

2566
02:11:14,549 --> 02:11:11,859
is what I want to ask you about now is

2567
02:11:17,629 --> 02:11:14,559
there I know that you haven't fully

2568
02:11:22,439 --> 02:11:17,639
answered these questions but what about

2569
02:11:25,310 --> 02:11:22,449
contemplating the possibility of what

2570
02:11:30,089 --> 02:11:25,320
you are experiencing is actually us

2571
02:11:33,779 --> 02:11:30,099
maybe us from the future that exist in

2572
02:11:36,750 --> 02:11:33,789
another world but it could be us and it

2573
02:11:40,589 --> 02:11:36,760
could be what is happening on the other

2574
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:40,599
side after we die well of course I've

2575
02:11:46,619 --> 02:11:42,570
entertained all these all these

2576
02:11:52,430 --> 02:11:46,629
possibilities and all these theories but

2577
02:11:53,930 --> 02:11:52,440
I go back to about was it 19

2578
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:53,940
seventy-eight when I have the experience

2579
02:11:59,390 --> 02:11:56,719
with Judy if she is my girlfriend and

2580
02:12:02,660 --> 02:11:59,400
the on this particular night she spent a

2581
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:02,670
night at a friend's house and I'd come

2582
02:12:08,120 --> 02:12:04,890
out a come home from being out to dinner

2583
02:12:09,979 --> 02:12:08,130
with a friend and I remember she called

2584
02:12:11,450 --> 02:12:09,989
me and she left the message I didn't

2585
02:12:12,530 --> 02:12:11,460
pick up because they were so exhausting

2586
02:12:13,900 --> 02:12:12,540
I just wanted to go to bed it's gonna

2587
02:12:16,670 --> 02:12:13,910
call her in the morning

2588
02:12:18,410 --> 02:12:16,680
next morning I had a screening to go to

2589
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:18,420
of a movie called battle beyond the

2590
02:12:23,420 --> 02:12:21,210
stars which I worked on with which was a

2591
02:12:26,479 --> 02:12:23,430
Roger Corman movie and so I was very

2592
02:12:29,750 --> 02:12:26,489
excited to go to that but what happened

2593
02:12:32,270 --> 02:12:29,760
around 6:00 6:30 in the morning as I had

2594
02:12:37,400 --> 02:12:32,280
this amazing dream and the dream of

2595
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:37,410
course was Judy and she was I've

2596
02:12:42,500 --> 02:12:39,570
suddenly found myself floating in like

2597
02:12:44,810 --> 02:12:42,510
clouds with this this ridiculous new-age

2598
02:12:46,850 --> 02:12:44,820
sounding ambient music in the background

2599
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:46,860
and colored lights moving through the

2600
02:12:52,130 --> 02:12:49,530
clouds and she comes out butt naked

2601
02:12:55,880 --> 02:12:52,140
except for a pair of underwear on

2602
02:12:59,120 --> 02:12:55,890
panties and she floats up to me and she

2603
02:13:01,760 --> 02:12:59,130
puts her arms around me and she says how

2604
02:13:03,620 --> 02:13:01,770
Incredibles is she felt how beautiful

2605
02:13:06,530 --> 02:13:03,630
all this was and not to worry about her

2606
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:06,540
that she had to move on that she was

2607
02:13:11,209 --> 02:13:08,730
going to go but she had to come say

2608
02:13:14,870 --> 02:13:11,219
goodbye she had to tell me I was right

2609
02:13:16,790 --> 02:13:14,880
we do live after we die and oh by the

2610
02:13:20,660 --> 02:13:16,800
way those silly aliens you always used

2611
02:13:22,939 --> 02:13:20,670
to tell me about their real - and we

2612
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:22,949
hugged and it was an amazing emotional

2613
02:13:27,800 --> 02:13:26,610
moment and she left and I woke up going

2614
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:27,810
what the hell was that

2615
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:30,810
it was very powerful she hasn't you know

2616
02:13:34,700 --> 02:13:32,400
I just thought was a dream I had no time

2617
02:13:36,260 --> 02:13:34,710
for it I I you know I was young I

2618
02:13:38,209 --> 02:13:36,270
couldn't wait to get to premiere and see

2619
02:13:40,459 --> 02:13:38,219
my work on the big screen when I came

2620
02:13:42,620 --> 02:13:40,469
home from the screening there were all

2621
02:13:43,850 --> 02:13:42,630
these messages of the machine that she

2622
02:13:46,490 --> 02:13:43,860
had died during the night

2623
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:46,500
around 6:30 in the morning and she was

2624
02:13:58,330 --> 02:13:48,480
found laying on the floor in a pair of

2625
02:14:00,580 --> 02:13:58,340
panties completely naked so that I I I

2626
02:14:03,490 --> 02:14:00,590
got you yeah

2627
02:14:07,090 --> 02:14:03,500
for two weeks I couldn't keep Clute down

2628
02:14:11,830 --> 02:14:07,100
I was just really really really sick and

2629
02:14:15,610 --> 02:14:11,840
I I've never forgot it and when I think

2630
02:14:18,010 --> 02:14:15,620
about it I've distinct to myself what an

2631
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:18,020
incredibly beautiful little soul she had

2632
02:14:24,190 --> 02:14:20,320
that she made that effort to do that

2633
02:14:26,440 --> 02:14:24,200
that's exactly where I was going okay so

2634
02:14:29,610 --> 02:14:26,450
you have all of the emotional side of

2635
02:14:33,040 --> 02:14:29,620
that and and I guess yet but probably

2636
02:14:36,270 --> 02:14:33,050
and and not to be cavalier here but but

2637
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:36,280
to something even bigger than that is

2638
02:14:44,020 --> 02:14:42,770
the verification of something else to us

2639
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:44,030
and this world

2640
02:14:49,330 --> 02:14:47,450
I mean how tremendous is that it's huge

2641
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:49,340
it happened to my mother too and I

2642
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:52,090
remember her telling me the story of

2643
02:14:56,620 --> 02:14:54,650
waking up in the night in her

2644
02:14:58,030 --> 02:14:56,630
grandmother sitting on the bed and she

2645
02:15:00,930 --> 02:14:58,040
said you know I came to say goodbye to

2646
02:15:04,990 --> 02:15:00,940
you I really really love you so much and

2647
02:15:07,630 --> 02:15:05,000
then the phone rang and she looked in

2648
02:15:10,300 --> 02:15:07,640
her grandmother was gone and then she

2649
02:15:13,060 --> 02:15:10,310
heard my grammar her mother on the phone

2650
02:15:15,220 --> 02:15:13,070
in the hallway and she broke into tears

2651
02:15:19,780 --> 02:15:15,230
and then she came in and said honey your

2652
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:19,790
grandmother just died so on both sides

2653
02:15:26,140 --> 02:15:22,210
of my family this kind of thing is

2654
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:26,150
apparent the there's there's something

2655
02:15:36,100 --> 02:15:31,570
else to this to Steve which is Sciences

2656
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:36,110
wants to tell us that once your brain

2657
02:15:41,230 --> 02:15:39,110
stops that's it right there there's

2658
02:15:42,970 --> 02:15:41,240
nothing else there there are no memories

2659
02:15:46,810 --> 02:15:42,980
there are no dreams are there aren't

2660
02:15:51,460 --> 02:15:46,820
anything the everything about you

2661
02:15:54,610 --> 02:15:51,470
is is now dead it's done and then we

2662
02:15:59,380 --> 02:15:54,620
have something like this with Judy which

2663
02:16:02,620 --> 02:15:59,390
clearly represents the continuation and

2664
02:16:04,750 --> 02:16:02,630
a connection not only with the soul but

2665
02:16:08,170 --> 02:16:04,760
with the universe and with you and we

2666
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:08,180
have the ability to do just that and the

2667
02:16:13,410 --> 02:16:11,810
- now I think today scientifically are

2668
02:16:17,939 --> 02:16:13,420
starting to join in there

2669
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:17,949
understanding that but the soul doesn't

2670
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:21,730
stop when the brain stops no and and we

2671
02:16:30,780 --> 02:16:27,610
can be with our loved ones still weak I

2672
02:16:34,560 --> 02:16:30,790
I still see my late wife Jilly who

2673
02:16:38,250 --> 02:16:34,570
passed from cancer back in 2013 a brutal

2674
02:16:40,379 --> 02:16:38,260
battle with it which she lost and I

2675
02:16:43,140 --> 02:16:40,389
constantly am having experiences her

2676
02:16:45,629 --> 02:16:43,150
when I'm it's asleep at night in a

2677
02:16:47,820 --> 02:16:45,639
different world with her and she's fine

2678
02:16:51,330 --> 02:16:47,830
and when it first started happening to

2679
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:51,340
me I was so confused I would see her

2680
02:16:55,290 --> 02:16:53,200
daughter there and everything seemed

2681
02:16:58,440 --> 02:16:55,300
fine and I said this doesn't make any

2682
02:17:00,060 --> 02:16:58,450
sense your mom died I know she died she

2683
02:17:03,620 --> 02:17:00,070
this can't be right

2684
02:17:07,080 --> 02:17:03,630
it took me a while to realize that

2685
02:17:08,940 --> 02:17:07,090
something else was going on here that it

2686
02:17:10,500 --> 02:17:08,950
wasn't a dream that is actually real and

2687
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:10,510
that Whitley and I talked about it a lot

2688
02:17:18,179 --> 02:17:14,170
and I'm still in touch in it and it's

2689
02:17:23,100 --> 02:17:18,189
because the way we are are taught by our

2690
02:17:26,959 --> 02:17:23,110
culture we resist these things happening

2691
02:17:30,509 --> 02:17:26,969
to us and it can make you crazy

2692
02:17:33,650 --> 02:17:30,519
but it could be part of the reason the

2693
02:17:39,150 --> 02:17:33,660
world is so crazy is that it can't

2694
02:17:40,799 --> 02:17:39,160
accept that we're part of that world on

2695
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:40,809
the other side as much as we're part of

2696
02:17:46,259 --> 02:17:43,090
this one and that if the two could come

2697
02:17:50,509 --> 02:17:46,269
together and we live in both of them

2698
02:17:52,830 --> 02:17:50,519
I think people being less of a hurry and

2699
02:17:54,299 --> 02:17:52,840
less likely to want to hurt each other

2700
02:17:57,330 --> 02:17:54,309
and steal from each other and everything

2701
02:17:59,730 --> 02:17:57,340
else if they knew that it didn't all end

2702
02:18:03,179 --> 02:17:59,740
when that brain stopped functioning how

2703
02:18:07,290 --> 02:18:03,189
connected is everything Steve if if one

2704
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:07,300
of if one of these elements of the

2705
02:18:10,589 --> 02:18:09,760
paranormal or the supernatural you know

2706
02:18:14,969 --> 02:18:10,599
our community

2707
02:18:19,110 --> 02:18:14,979
if one one domino falls and I say this

2708
02:18:24,179 --> 02:18:19,120
all the time don't they all fall well I

2709
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:24,189
think so I it it's my eye I know that

2710
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:26,710
all these avoid that word belief I

2711
02:18:29,250 --> 02:18:27,280
really

2712
02:18:30,839 --> 02:18:29,260
don't like it you know this poster says

2713
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:30,849
I want to believe I want to know and

2714
02:18:35,450 --> 02:18:33,280
it's okay not to know and what I know is

2715
02:18:38,730 --> 02:18:35,460
is that all these events all these

2716
02:18:43,410 --> 02:18:38,740
phenomena are connected they're not

2717
02:18:47,310 --> 02:18:43,420
separate and that also I think that

2718
02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:47,320
extends you know off-planet ain't no off

2719
02:18:54,120 --> 02:18:50,050
planet to other planets but I mean the

2720
02:18:57,740 --> 02:18:54,130
universe in general and if we are just

2721
02:19:00,450 --> 02:18:57,750
now coming to terms with that and and

2722
02:19:02,459 --> 02:19:00,460
trying to prove that scientifically and

2723
02:19:05,459 --> 02:19:02,469
so we can move on well certainly

2724
02:19:08,490 --> 02:19:05,469
something out there another culture that

2725
02:19:10,650 --> 02:19:08,500
is ten thousand a million years more

2726
02:19:11,910 --> 02:19:10,660
advanced than us they figure that out a

2727
02:19:15,299 --> 02:19:11,920
long time ago

2728
02:19:17,520 --> 02:19:15,309
well funny enough if you talk to the

2729
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:17,530
elders that tribal elders of this world

2730
02:19:24,120 --> 02:19:21,130
you talk to the indigenous people of

2731
02:19:26,370 --> 02:19:24,130
many many lands on this on this earth

2732
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:26,380
whether it be

2733
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:31,200
the Native Americans or the Aborigines

2734
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:34,240
you're gonna you're gonna hear that they

2735
02:19:44,030 --> 02:19:36,610
have already come to terms with this a

2736
02:19:50,250 --> 02:19:47,640
what but there's Apollo 13 Apollo what

2737
02:19:52,740 --> 02:19:50,260
was the movie oh you think you have the

2738
02:19:54,540 --> 02:19:52,750
right stuff yeah the right stuff well if

2739
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,550
you've never seen the last wave you need

2740
02:19:59,160 --> 02:19:57,040
to see that the last wave is incredible

2741
02:20:03,330 --> 02:19:59,170
yeah and that really goes into it too I

2742
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:03,340
mean these these ancient people I will

2743
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:04,750
never use the word primitive because

2744
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:05,920
they were the furthest thing from

2745
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:11,200
primitive they openly and freely talk to

2746
02:20:18,270 --> 02:20:14,800
their dead and talk to the sky people

2747
02:20:20,990 --> 02:20:18,280
and knew that their dreams were more and

2748
02:20:24,570 --> 02:20:21,000
they walked in them in other worlds and

2749
02:20:27,380 --> 02:20:24,580
benefited from from this this composite

2750
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:27,390
of all this different states of being

2751
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:31,690
and I'm looking at the clock here man I

2752
02:20:36,390 --> 02:20:34,090
don't want to run out of time and and if

2753
02:20:38,290 --> 02:20:36,400
we do I'm gonna keep you over for a few

2754
02:20:42,219 --> 02:20:38,300
minutes of overtime you don't know

2755
02:20:44,889 --> 02:20:42,229
but I talking about all of these

2756
02:20:48,130 --> 02:20:44,899
subjects and your experience in

2757
02:20:51,870 --> 02:20:48,140
Hollywood certainly we have Kubrick and

2758
02:20:54,670 --> 02:20:51,880
we have Spielberg Spielberg seems to

2759
02:20:57,820 --> 02:20:54,680
want to do nothing but make films on

2760
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:57,830
this subject matter he's done so many we

2761
02:21:03,429 --> 02:21:00,800
and and I think that most of us forget

2762
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:03,439
how many he's actually done on ET and

2763
02:21:07,990 --> 02:21:05,810
the subject to just go back and and look

2764
02:21:09,550 --> 02:21:08,000
at his IMDB page and then you start to

2765
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:09,560
remember most you know most people don't

2766
02:21:13,809 --> 02:21:11,870
remember it films like super 8 right

2767
02:21:16,809 --> 02:21:13,819
they they always if you know what I mean

2768
02:21:18,820 --> 02:21:16,819
that they remember the et or they

2769
02:21:22,570 --> 02:21:18,830
remember Close Encounters but he has

2770
02:21:25,570 --> 02:21:22,580
done a ton of films on this is there

2771
02:21:27,490 --> 02:21:25,580
something that like Kubrick and

2772
02:21:28,990 --> 02:21:27,500
Spielberg do you think that they're in

2773
02:21:31,150 --> 02:21:29,000
the know do you think that they've been

2774
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:31,160
read in is there a message that

2775
02:21:37,450 --> 02:21:34,479
Hollywood is trying to drip fetus I

2776
02:21:40,719 --> 02:21:37,460
can't say for sure but I sure do think

2777
02:21:42,639 --> 02:21:40,729
some of them are now there are some

2778
02:21:45,130 --> 02:21:42,649
things that I know about that I

2779
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:45,140
literally don't know if it's okay to

2780
02:21:50,620 --> 02:21:47,120
talk about about an interaction I had

2781
02:21:54,190 --> 02:21:50,630
with Jacques filet once but I can say

2782
02:21:57,820 --> 02:21:54,200
that watching his films and that

2783
02:22:01,240 --> 02:21:57,830
particularly Close Encounters one of the

2784
02:22:03,160 --> 02:22:01,250
scenes that most impressed me about how

2785
02:22:06,130 --> 02:22:03,170
much he really knows about this subject

2786
02:22:09,630 --> 02:22:06,140
and how it's handled and controlled and

2787
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:09,640
spun by the media is the scene where

2788
02:22:19,719 --> 02:22:14,000
nori Neary is in the news conference

2789
02:22:22,599 --> 02:22:19,729
with Jillian and he's trying to talk

2790
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,609
about her boy being taken about what he

2791
02:22:28,510 --> 02:22:25,760
had seen and this lunatic suddenly

2792
02:22:30,520 --> 02:22:28,520
speaks out and says I once saw a Bigfoot

2793
02:22:32,950 --> 02:22:30,530
right right right it's two ashtrays and

2794
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:32,960
you watch all the media's attention all

2795
02:22:39,460 --> 02:22:36,050
the cameras turned to him and they the

2796
02:22:47,091 --> 02:22:39,470
woman who lost her child and mr. Neary

2797
02:22:51,660 --> 02:22:47,101
sit there just dumbfounded the

2798
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:51,670
the the aspect of the media treating it

2799
02:22:58,740 --> 02:22:56,290
that way they constantly running with

2800
02:23:01,501 --> 02:22:58,750
the x-files music and then cracking a

2801
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:01,511
joke is exactly what you're talking

2802
02:23:06,030 --> 02:23:03,250
about there and that bit that Bigfoot

2803
02:23:09,091 --> 02:23:06,040
scene is exactly represented on how it's

2804
02:23:12,330 --> 02:23:09,101
been spun and I couldn't agree with you

2805
02:23:15,480 --> 02:23:12,340
more I want to say this though Jacques

2806
02:23:18,480 --> 02:23:15,490
Vallee is an alien yeah well he's

2807
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:18,490
certainly tall he was so kind to me and

2808
02:23:28,200 --> 02:23:20,170
he took me I was on the Vicki Lawrence

2809
02:23:32,131 --> 02:23:28,210
show and he took me aside and he told me

2810
02:23:34,580 --> 02:23:32,141
some things that I won't share here

2811
02:23:36,961 --> 02:23:34,590
because I never saw him write about it

2812
02:23:39,810 --> 02:23:36,971
but he told me some things in with

2813
02:23:43,410 --> 02:23:39,820
guards of 2000-2001 death that would be

2814
02:23:47,690 --> 02:23:43,420
two Close Encounters calories yeah well

2815
02:23:49,740 --> 02:23:47,700
one of the things he said to me was that

2816
02:23:52,320 --> 02:23:49,750
he believed my story

2817
02:23:55,350 --> 02:23:52,330
he believed our stories and he thought

2818
02:23:56,820 --> 02:23:55,360
that this was really about us not about

2819
02:23:59,881 --> 02:23:56,830
the government not about the

2820
02:24:02,910 --> 02:23:59,891
investigations but this was for us that

2821
02:24:05,820 --> 02:24:02,920
we were important to this experience and

2822
02:24:09,001 --> 02:24:05,830
it was almost identical to what Francois

2823
02:24:11,790 --> 02:24:09,011
Truffaut said in the film and it really

2824
02:24:13,381 --> 02:24:11,800
was a chilling moment because he was you

2825
02:24:16,680 --> 02:24:13,391
know he sort of stooped down to me I'm

2826
02:24:19,290 --> 02:24:16,690
almost six-foot but he was towering over

2827
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:19,300
me and at least that's what the scene at

2828
02:24:23,251 --> 02:24:21,730
the time and and it really that and some

2829
02:24:25,650 --> 02:24:23,261
other things he told me I can't talk

2830
02:24:28,131 --> 02:24:25,660
about or shouldn't talk about absolutely

2831
02:24:30,961 --> 02:24:28,141
blew my mind there was a series of

2832
02:24:33,390 --> 02:24:30,971
interviews that and I talked to him

2833
02:24:36,751 --> 02:24:33,400
about this there's a series of

2834
02:24:38,551 --> 02:24:36,761
interviews that he did I believe like in

2835
02:24:43,381 --> 02:24:38,561
San Francisco State you know there's

2836
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:43,391
some college up there and they're from

2837
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:44,170
the 80s

2838
02:24:49,230 --> 02:24:47,050
with I think there's professor love I

2839
02:24:51,511 --> 02:24:49,240
think what's his name but anyway you can

2840
02:24:54,091 --> 02:24:51,521
find them online and they're really

2841
02:24:58,750 --> 02:24:54,101
amazing but anyway jacque's

2842
02:25:01,389 --> 02:24:58,760
eyes had a look to them back then

2843
02:25:03,639 --> 02:25:01,399
and I was so captivated with that and so

2844
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:03,649
when I finally got to you know hang out

2845
02:25:08,170 --> 02:25:05,600
with jock a little bit a couple of years

2846
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:08,180
ago and and talk to him privately I'm

2847
02:25:13,900 --> 02:25:11,210
looking into his eyes and I'm like this

2848
02:25:16,420 --> 02:25:13,910
is like the smartest guy I have ever you

2849
02:25:19,330 --> 02:25:16,430
know you know been with I could feel

2850
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:19,340
there's something going on there yeah

2851
02:25:25,660 --> 02:25:22,250
and I can't quite figure it out Steve I

2852
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:25,670
can't but he's got some knowledge he's

2853
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,410
got some knowledge on the subject and I

2854
02:25:32,740 --> 02:25:30,800
don't think he has let us know

2855
02:25:35,170 --> 02:25:32,750
everything I think he's been holding

2856
02:25:38,889 --> 02:25:35,180
though he has been holding back but he

2857
02:25:40,780 --> 02:25:38,899
does not hold back to people who are

2858
02:25:44,860 --> 02:25:40,790
experienced there's who he believes are

2859
02:25:47,800 --> 02:25:44,870
telling the truth and and he didn't tell

2860
02:25:50,410 --> 02:25:47,810
me don't share this with anyone didn't

2861
02:25:54,070 --> 02:25:50,420
tell me I could either so I'm back from

2862
02:25:56,769 --> 02:25:54,080
shock I have told other people I even

2863
02:25:59,860 --> 02:25:56,779
spoke about it at Avon's group but I

2864
02:26:02,290 --> 02:25:59,870
won't do it on a national radio or any

2865
02:26:04,210 --> 02:26:02,300
public venue because I really he'd ever

2866
02:26:06,280 --> 02:26:04,220
told me whether it was safe to talk

2867
02:26:08,139 --> 02:26:06,290
about it or not and he's much taller

2868
02:26:10,690 --> 02:26:08,149
than 6 foot by the way I've got some

2869
02:26:13,389 --> 02:26:10,700
pictures of the deals together and I'm 6

2870
02:26:16,059 --> 02:26:13,399
foot and he hates you yeah he towered

2871
02:26:17,980 --> 02:26:16,069
over me I've got I got a picture of

2872
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:17,990
myself standing on stage with him and

2873
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:21,050
he's standing right next to me and and

2874
02:26:25,630 --> 02:26:22,970
on the other side of him is Jimmy Doohan

2875
02:26:28,059 --> 02:26:25,640
and walter Koenig and Chad Everett and

2876
02:26:30,639 --> 02:26:28,069
Marina Sirtis it was an amazing show and

2877
02:26:35,620 --> 02:26:30,649
Vicki Lawrence that I did back during

2878
02:26:37,809 --> 02:26:35,630
the 90s back to Hollywood before we get

2879
02:26:39,370 --> 02:26:37,819
back to the get to the break I'm gonna

2880
02:26:44,219 --> 02:26:39,380
I'm gonna keep you over for a few

2881
02:26:49,059 --> 02:26:44,229
minutes if that's okay back to Hollywood

2882
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:49,069
there seems to be an easy way to get a

2883
02:26:57,490 --> 02:26:53,450
film greenlit and that is an alien

2884
02:27:00,099 --> 02:26:57,500
picture and we have had an over the last

2885
02:27:03,880 --> 02:27:00,109
couple of years run of pretty

2886
02:27:08,110 --> 02:27:03,890
extraordinary films like like a rival

2887
02:27:09,500 --> 02:27:08,120
arrive yes yes yes yes the way why is it

2888
02:27:15,300 --> 02:27:09,510
that

2889
02:27:16,889 --> 02:27:15,310
it's part of the production team and the

2890
02:27:18,270 --> 02:27:16,899
presidents of the vice president's and

2891
02:27:21,950 --> 02:27:18,280
the head of productions and they're fans

2892
02:27:26,340 --> 02:27:21,960
of the genre or is it that the

2893
02:27:29,580 --> 02:27:26,350
audience's need to see this they buy the

2894
02:27:32,850 --> 02:27:29,590
tickets right yeah they do but you know

2895
02:27:36,480 --> 02:27:32,860
I mean as far as they know rival was not

2896
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:36,490
that well-received correct me if I'm

2897
02:27:44,190 --> 02:27:40,210
wrong but it didn't do that well which

2898
02:27:45,900 --> 02:27:44,200
would say what which well you know

2899
02:27:48,270 --> 02:27:45,910
whenever I see a film like this I always

2900
02:27:49,980 --> 02:27:48,280
looked at Mary I say this was terrific

2901
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:49,990
everyone told me this was a piece of

2902
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:51,610
garbage that I wouldn't like it

2903
02:27:55,590 --> 02:27:54,399
what do you this this is amazing that

2904
02:27:58,020 --> 02:27:55,600
the things they were talking about

2905
02:28:00,000 --> 02:27:58,030
towards the end of the film were very

2906
02:28:02,700 --> 02:28:00,010
much what we're talking about right now

2907
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:02,710
that's right especially about how time

2908
02:28:08,429 --> 02:28:05,290
is not linear and it's absolutely not

2909
02:28:11,130 --> 02:28:08,439
we have made it that but my big question

2910
02:28:14,510 --> 02:28:11,140
was who pays for these things who puts

2911
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:14,520
out this enormous amount of money and

2912
02:28:20,550 --> 02:28:18,670
you know and it only does so well you

2913
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:20,560
know I always had problems getting

2914
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:23,680
anything financed that that I felt was

2915
02:28:29,820 --> 02:28:25,930
an intelligent approach to the subject

2916
02:28:31,290 --> 02:28:29,830
matter you know if it was Independence

2917
02:28:33,900 --> 02:28:31,300
Day or something like that yeah it's

2918
02:28:37,350 --> 02:28:33,910
it's going to be full of action and but

2919
02:28:40,980 --> 02:28:37,360
you know a movie like a rival you really

2920
02:28:43,740 --> 02:28:40,990
had to think oh it was it was Rita and I

2921
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:43,750
walked away from the first time that we

2922
02:28:47,790 --> 02:28:47,170
saw that film and we were walking to the

2923
02:28:51,090 --> 02:28:47,800
car

2924
02:28:53,010 --> 02:28:51,100
and I said so what do you think and we

2925
02:28:55,170 --> 02:28:53,020
weren't even talking we were still

2926
02:29:00,800 --> 02:28:55,180
contemplating about what we just viewed

2927
02:29:08,820 --> 02:29:04,469
somebody knows something there was too

2928
02:29:12,900 --> 02:29:08,830
much in that film and from a completely

2929
02:29:14,610 --> 02:29:12,910
unique point of reference from not only

2930
02:29:17,850 --> 02:29:14,620
the communication and how that was done

2931
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:17,860
but the reasons why they were here the

2932
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:22,090
the time the linear time aspect of it

2933
02:29:29,670 --> 02:29:25,090
the conflict between nations and how

2934
02:29:30,860 --> 02:29:29,680
that was handled that was a story-driven

2935
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:30,870
[Music]

2936
02:29:36,540 --> 02:29:34,810
scientific film it was not easy that

2937
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:36,550
what you're absolutely right that wasn't

2938
02:29:44,540 --> 02:29:39,850
popcorn you know that was an action

2939
02:29:47,670 --> 02:29:44,550
thriller it was about thinking and yeah

2940
02:29:49,740 --> 02:29:47,680
and neither was interstellar or 2001 the

2941
02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:49,750
Space Oddity through that matter right I

2942
02:29:54,930 --> 02:29:52,690
remember being at a MUFON event I was

2943
02:29:56,700 --> 02:29:54,940
speaking and showing my artwork and when

2944
02:29:59,280 --> 02:29:56,710
I said that probably the most

2945
02:30:01,620 --> 02:29:59,290
significant movie besides the UFO

2946
02:30:03,930 --> 02:30:01,630
incident with James Earl Jones and

2947
02:30:06,060 --> 02:30:03,940
Estelle Parsons done in the 70s 2001

2948
02:30:09,240 --> 02:30:06,070
Space Odyssey was one of the most

2949
02:30:12,090 --> 02:30:09,250
significant films made in relationship

2950
02:30:15,780 --> 02:30:12,100
to this phenomenon and they've looked at

2951
02:30:17,310 --> 02:30:15,790
me like I just said and i and i ate a

2952
02:30:18,450 --> 02:30:17,320
goat for dinner or something you know

2953
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:18,460
they just kind of looked at me blank

2954
02:30:23,370 --> 02:30:20,050
like what the heck does that leave we

2955
02:30:27,180 --> 02:30:23,380
have to do with alien abduction well

2956
02:30:30,900 --> 02:30:27,190
that's and and and and it goes back to

2957
02:30:33,870 --> 02:30:30,910
the point that I I can't I can't get

2958
02:30:37,830 --> 02:30:33,880
this out of my head Steve which is there

2959
02:30:41,790 --> 02:30:37,840
there is an agenda here with filmmaking

2960
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:41,800
and Hollywood and it's it's I think the

2961
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:44,650
message is pretty clear and when we look

2962
02:30:49,170 --> 02:30:46,570
at these days of disclosure that we're

2963
02:30:51,300 --> 02:30:49,180
going through now when the big event

2964
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:51,310
happens right whether it's an

2965
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:53,610
independent state type of event or not

2966
02:31:00,210 --> 02:30:58,240
but we're going to be pretty accepting

2967
02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:00,220
of the situation when it happens because

2968
02:31:05,940 --> 02:31:03,250
we've seen it all before it's already

2969
02:31:07,530 --> 02:31:05,950
happening I mean it's amazing to me when

2970
02:31:09,630 --> 02:31:07,540
the Defense Department released that

2971
02:31:11,490 --> 02:31:09,640
footage and when they Pentagon admitted

2972
02:31:14,690 --> 02:31:11,500
to what they that they've been covering

2973
02:31:22,050 --> 02:31:14,700
up and it was everywhere people went oh

2974
02:31:23,670 --> 02:31:22,060
that's nice yeah that's exerting numb no

2975
02:31:24,990 --> 02:31:23,680
but that's exactly what happened and

2976
02:31:28,620 --> 02:31:25,000
everything that you know like the

2977
02:31:31,020 --> 02:31:28,630
Brookings or Condon or you look at any

2978
02:31:34,530 --> 02:31:31,030
of the stuff that was officially

2979
02:31:35,341 --> 02:31:34,540
released a scientific study on on how

2980
02:31:37,531 --> 02:31:35,351
the world would

2981
02:31:39,871 --> 02:31:37,541
accepted while the opposite happened it

2982
02:31:43,051 --> 02:31:39,881
wasn't orson welles right it wasn't

2983
02:31:45,360 --> 02:31:43,061
worth world it was it was about as

2984
02:31:47,581 --> 02:31:45,370
polarizing in 180 degrees in the other

2985
02:31:50,761 --> 02:31:47,591
direction as it could have been

2986
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:50,771
it was pretty blasé the reaction and you

2987
02:31:54,631 --> 02:31:53,200
know silence also from the Vatican I got

2988
02:31:56,671 --> 02:31:54,641
to take a break right here Steve stay

2989
02:31:58,980 --> 02:31:56,681
right there we'll do a little overtime

2990
02:32:02,990 --> 02:31:58,990
right after this I'm real Jimmy Church

2991
02:32:08,530 --> 02:32:03,000
this is fade to black stay with us

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haunting you and you just felt better

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born this way k GRA radio.com this is KJ

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3073
02:36:22,710 --> 02:36:18,990
welcome back fade to black I'm Niels to

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be Church I want to remind everybody our

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the links right there Jimmy Torrio calm

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dot-com our guest tonight is Steve Neal

3091
02:37:10,680 --> 02:37:08,860
filmmaker special effects guru do you

3092
02:37:12,330 --> 02:37:10,690
like do you like that title I mean I

3093
02:37:16,020 --> 02:37:12,340
can't oh sure why not

3094
02:37:19,770 --> 02:37:16,030
you know you know now I want to go back

3095
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:19,780
I want to ask some deeper questions

3096
02:37:27,930 --> 02:37:24,250
about your experiences and one of them

3097
02:37:29,340 --> 02:37:27,940
is this when you did you ever see I

3098
02:37:34,170 --> 02:37:29,350
don't want to ask a leading question

3099
02:37:38,460 --> 02:37:34,180
here but I'm going to did you see any

3100
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:38,470
any military any any uniforms anything

3101
02:37:46,050 --> 02:37:42,730
like that when you were in these rooms

3102
02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:46,060
or what could have been crafts yes

3103
02:37:50,340 --> 02:37:48,130
absolutely in fact there's a transcript

3104
02:37:52,430 --> 02:37:50,350
taken from which has a lot of

3105
02:37:55,800 --> 02:37:52,440
misspellings in and I found out later

3106
02:37:57,570 --> 02:37:55,810
somehow that was overlooked during the

3107
02:38:01,650 --> 02:37:57,580
editing process but nevertheless it was

3108
02:38:04,680 --> 02:38:01,660
a transcript for Batum of the tapes that

3109
02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:04,690
a Vaughan had of me and it's called head

3110
02:38:09,180 --> 02:38:06,850
wound is what she called it and it was

3111
02:38:12,150 --> 02:38:09,190
one of many and I and I did and in this

3112
02:38:14,220 --> 02:38:12,160
particular case I pretty much remember

3113
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:14,230
to everything that happened and how I

3114
02:38:18,511 --> 02:38:16,690
was taken out of my house and taken up

3115
02:38:20,220 --> 02:38:18,521
into one of those dark holes and it

3116
02:38:23,460 --> 02:38:20,230
ended up in this facility that looked

3117
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:23,470
like a hospital and it was a mix of

3118
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:25,990
human beings doctors with white smocks

3119
02:38:34,830 --> 02:38:30,370
on and ID badges and and the grace

3120
02:38:40,110 --> 02:38:34,840
and I was taken to an operating room of

3121
02:38:45,750 --> 02:38:40,120
sorts and it looked very very human not

3122
02:38:47,460 --> 02:38:45,760
not visitor style at all and they put me

3123
02:38:48,590 --> 02:38:47,470
on this table and they put this device

3124
02:38:51,750 --> 02:38:48,600
on my head

3125
02:38:54,660 --> 02:38:51,760
they immobilized me and they sedated me

3126
02:39:00,679 --> 02:38:54,670
somewhat and they put this device on my

3127
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:04,020
it was a little painful but the device

3128
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:06,399
had a way of numbing you it felt cold so

3129
02:39:10,860 --> 02:39:08,410
you know if you're very cold you don't

3130
02:39:15,389 --> 02:39:10,870
feel aim as much in a particular area

3131
02:39:18,389 --> 02:39:15,399
and these smaller gray types did this to

3132
02:39:20,310 --> 02:39:18,399
me and when they were done this doctor

3133
02:39:24,090 --> 02:39:20,320
came in and I can describe him exactly

3134
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:24,100
was all about 4445 he's balding on top

3135
02:39:29,849 --> 02:39:27,040
dark air where I rim glasses mustache

3136
02:39:31,980 --> 02:39:29,859
and he was kind of a cocky sort of guy

3137
02:39:34,710 --> 02:39:31,990
and he he came in and he's looking what

3138
02:39:36,810 --> 02:39:34,720
they did and he said this this this

3139
02:39:39,150 --> 02:39:36,820
isn't close to look this way would you

3140
02:39:41,219 --> 02:39:39,160
do don't you know he's gonna know

3141
02:39:44,070 --> 02:39:41,229
something happened and he was really

3142
02:39:49,679 --> 02:39:44,080
upset because it did leave a hole in my

3143
02:39:52,889 --> 02:39:49,689
head and it left a little scar and that

3144
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:52,899
was one time and I remember I went to my

3145
02:39:58,380 --> 02:39:55,359
my dear friend Roger layer and he looked

3146
02:40:00,360 --> 02:39:58,390
after the injury and told me that the

3147
02:40:04,080 --> 02:40:00,370
fluid the clear fluid coming out was

3148
02:40:05,700 --> 02:40:04,090
spinal fluid of some type and there was

3149
02:40:10,580 --> 02:40:05,710
a hole right through my skull straight

3150
02:40:13,410 --> 02:40:10,590
into my brain and then other times I was

3151
02:40:16,620 --> 02:40:13,420
again in a facility like this and one

3152
02:40:18,000 --> 02:40:16,630
time I came to I was on a table there

3153
02:40:22,290 --> 02:40:18,010
were a lot of other people in the room

3154
02:40:27,179 --> 02:40:22,300
also passed out on tables and I got up

3155
02:40:29,910 --> 02:40:27,189
and it was going around and I pushed

3156
02:40:31,679 --> 02:40:29,920
open these pushed open doors and walked

3157
02:40:34,380 --> 02:40:31,689
in his hallway I was really disoriented

3158
02:40:35,730 --> 02:40:34,390
and one of the taller Grey's just came

3159
02:40:37,410 --> 02:40:35,740
out of this door and looked at me like

3160
02:40:40,830 --> 02:40:37,420
you're not supposed to be here and then

3161
02:40:42,540 --> 02:40:40,840
it ran off and I said oh so I ran down

3162
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:42,550
the hallway a vase I opened these doors

3163
02:40:47,161 --> 02:40:43,690
and I walked

3164
02:40:48,841 --> 02:40:47,171
out into this cavernous expanse and it

3165
02:40:50,700 --> 02:40:48,851
was like a cavern had been dug out

3166
02:40:55,591 --> 02:40:50,710
underground and they had built these

3167
02:40:58,680 --> 02:40:55,601
buildings they built the buildings just

3168
02:41:01,560 --> 02:40:58,690
in this huge cave that was artificial

3169
02:41:05,220 --> 02:41:01,570
that had been bored out somehow and I

3170
02:41:07,591 --> 02:41:05,230
could hear jeeps driving around and all

3171
02:41:10,890 --> 02:41:07,601
kinds of military signs and many of the

3172
02:41:13,100 --> 02:41:10,900
times I saw the actual military I was in

3173
02:41:17,341 --> 02:41:13,110
the backseat with another experiencer

3174
02:41:19,770 --> 02:41:17,351
and we were driving through this tunnel

3175
02:41:23,490 --> 02:41:19,780
and we were stopped and there were

3176
02:41:23,940 --> 02:41:23,500
military people there checking IDs and

3177
02:41:26,610 --> 02:41:23,950
stuff

3178
02:41:28,980 --> 02:41:26,620
yes it's happened a number of times it

3179
02:41:31,440 --> 02:41:28,990
hasn't happened in years but this was

3180
02:41:32,881 --> 02:41:31,450
during the period in in the 90s a lot of

3181
02:41:35,211 --> 02:41:32,891
people were claiming they were going to

3182
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:35,221
underground bases and China Lake and

3183
02:41:41,100 --> 02:41:38,650
places out in the Tehachapi in Edwards

3184
02:41:41,551 --> 02:41:41,110
Air Force area I don't know that for

3185
02:41:48,480 --> 02:41:41,561
sure

3186
02:41:51,421 --> 02:41:48,490
a lot what do what does do you

3187
02:41:57,530 --> 02:41:51,431
contemplate those aspects of it that

3188
02:42:01,371 --> 02:41:57,540
some of these abductions and experiences

3189
02:42:05,700 --> 02:42:01,381
are our own government doing this

3190
02:42:09,900 --> 02:42:05,710
possibly to mislead so those that are

3191
02:42:11,881 --> 02:42:09,910
experiencing will go out and and and and

3192
02:42:14,640 --> 02:42:11,891
talk about this and get taken one of two

3193
02:42:18,390 --> 02:42:14,650
ways either they're completely nuts and

3194
02:42:22,350 --> 02:42:18,400
crazy and making it all up or be that

3195
02:42:25,350 --> 02:42:22,360
these alien abductions are real but they

3196
02:42:28,530 --> 02:42:25,360
may not necessarily be alien abductions

3197
02:42:30,930 --> 02:42:28,540
it may be us doing it well that's true

3198
02:42:31,350 --> 02:42:30,940
and I've complement contemplated that as

3199
02:42:35,070 --> 02:42:31,360
well

3200
02:42:36,871 --> 02:42:35,080
I really don't know for sure it could be

3201
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:36,881
that they're taking advantage of the

3202
02:42:41,850 --> 02:42:37,530
situation

3203
02:42:45,001 --> 02:42:41,860
abducting us and to to examine us to run

3204
02:42:48,030 --> 02:42:45,011
tests just to see what the visitors are

3205
02:42:49,881 --> 02:42:48,040
doing because they may be in despair not

3206
02:42:52,501 --> 02:42:49,891
knowing what's being done to so many

3207
02:42:54,690 --> 02:42:52,511
millions of people in it I think it is

3208
02:42:56,610 --> 02:42:54,700
in the millions I think a lot of people

3209
02:42:57,151 --> 02:42:56,620
never remember it don't even know it's

3210
02:42:58,831 --> 02:42:57,161
happening

3211
02:43:01,531 --> 02:42:58,841
right but one of the one of the things I

3212
02:43:04,231 --> 02:43:01,541
experienced quite often and you know

3213
02:43:07,441 --> 02:43:04,241
about the Coronado oh yeah I have the

3214
02:43:10,591 --> 02:43:07,451
book here sure yeah well Sam is me and

3215
02:43:13,111 --> 02:43:10,601
that's when oh I know that what you're

3216
02:43:15,601 --> 02:43:13,121
Sam and Coronado that's correct

3217
02:43:18,571 --> 02:43:15,611
Oh see Yvonne is good she never told me

3218
02:43:20,581 --> 02:43:18,581
well the thing is is my late wife wanted

3219
02:43:22,051 --> 02:43:20,591
me out of this she was scared to death

3220
02:43:26,281 --> 02:43:22,061
by this whole thing but that's another

3221
02:43:27,930 --> 02:43:26,291
half hour to an hour but so I went on

3222
02:43:30,871 --> 02:43:27,940
wrote the book I said please don't use

3223
02:43:32,611 --> 02:43:30,881
my name because it'll upset my wife one

3224
02:43:36,901 --> 02:43:32,621
of the things that wasn't in there and I

3225
02:43:39,091 --> 02:43:36,911
know came out and her hypnosis was when

3226
02:43:43,441 --> 02:43:39,101
the gentleman I was staying with in the

3227
02:43:46,651 --> 02:43:43,451
same room and we were both taken I came

3228
02:43:48,751 --> 02:43:46,661
to and I was floating on my back cold in

3229
02:43:51,001 --> 02:43:48,761
the sky with his blue light this dark

3230
02:43:54,091 --> 02:43:51,011
hole over the top of me the one I'm used

3231
02:43:56,461 --> 02:43:54,101
to seeing and there were two military

3232
02:43:58,411 --> 02:43:56,471
helicopters and there was like looked

3233
02:44:00,361 --> 02:43:58,421
like a police helicopters and they're

3234
02:44:02,791 --> 02:44:00,371
hovering just outside the field of the

3235
02:44:05,640 --> 02:44:02,801
beam and they have their beams on us

3236
02:44:08,461 --> 02:44:05,650
watching this whole thing happen and

3237
02:44:10,261 --> 02:44:08,471
when they and when they took took us up

3238
02:44:11,581 --> 02:44:10,271
through this black hole which I'm

3239
02:44:13,981 --> 02:44:11,591
starting to think more and more this is

3240
02:44:16,251 --> 02:44:13,991
sort of sort of dimensional opening or

3241
02:44:19,921 --> 02:44:16,261
literally some kind of black hole that

3242
02:44:22,201 --> 02:44:19,931
tears an opening in time-space as we

3243
02:44:24,151 --> 02:44:22,211
know it to be able to transport us from

3244
02:44:26,341 --> 02:44:24,161
one place to another again everyone

3245
02:44:28,591 --> 02:44:26,351
listening this is just theories is just

3246
02:44:31,531 --> 02:44:28,601
the hunch I have it's it's not set in

3247
02:44:34,651 --> 02:44:31,541
stone but once we're in there I'm

3248
02:44:40,261 --> 02:44:34,661
sitting on a table with with the

3249
02:44:42,241 --> 02:44:40,271
visitors and my friend is on a table and

3250
02:44:44,851 --> 02:44:42,251
they're doing all kinds of tests and in

3251
02:44:48,061 --> 02:44:44,861
probing him and he's he's resisting and

3252
02:44:51,241 --> 02:44:48,071
he's he's he's crying out and I'm saying

3253
02:44:53,430 --> 02:44:51,251
well how come this isn't being done to

3254
02:44:55,981 --> 02:44:53,440
me and they told me that I was different

3255
02:44:57,301 --> 02:44:55,991
that it wasn't like him and the agenda

3256
02:45:00,781 --> 02:44:57,311
with me was different than the agenda

3257
02:45:03,301 --> 02:45:00,791
with him well and what this suggests is

3258
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:03,311
the third possibility here which is

3259
02:45:08,410 --> 02:45:06,730
cooperation between et and our

3260
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:08,420
government

3261
02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:11,210
that is the other part of this which is

3262
02:45:19,150 --> 02:45:15,290
probably just as equally scary is the

3263
02:45:22,810 --> 02:45:19,160
scenario number one or number two it is

3264
02:45:24,460 --> 02:45:22,820
it is and of course it worries you

3265
02:45:28,170 --> 02:45:24,470
worried me a great deal back during the

3266
02:45:32,140 --> 02:45:28,180
90s was happening so often but again

3267
02:45:35,940 --> 02:45:32,150
ultimately I don't know I'm okay with

3268
02:45:41,460 --> 02:45:35,950
that I don't know but I really hate to

3269
02:45:44,850 --> 02:45:41,470
theorize and be wrong no I do well

3270
02:45:47,290 --> 02:45:44,860
before before we really run out of time

3271
02:45:50,550 --> 02:45:47,300
just good to be in a few minutes when

3272
02:45:54,280 --> 02:45:50,560
when I sign off the network

3273
02:45:56,400 --> 02:45:54,290
Coronado I think some of the audience

3274
02:45:59,440 --> 02:45:56,410
knows about the book I've certainly

3275
02:46:03,219 --> 02:45:59,450
talked about it and interviewed Yvonne

3276
02:46:07,719 --> 02:46:03,229
but Coronado takes place down in San

3277
02:46:10,600 --> 02:46:07,729
Diego but the at the hotel but there's

3278
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:10,610
another aspect to this which needs to be

3279
02:46:18,730 --> 02:46:14,240
talked about and it's who else from our

3280
02:46:20,260 --> 02:46:18,740
government was at that hotel yeah I

3281
02:46:21,850 --> 02:46:20,270
don't know if this isn't the first time

3282
02:46:24,670 --> 02:46:21,860
this has happened because another time I

3283
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:24,680
was in Moorpark at am you fond event and

3284
02:46:29,590 --> 02:46:26,930
we spent the night in a hotel Whitley

3285
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:29,600
was above me I was below him in the in

3286
02:46:35,170 --> 02:46:32,960
the the room below him and it was a

3287
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:35,180
really rough night on him and what

3288
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:38,930
happened I don't remember a lot of it at

3289
02:46:41,650 --> 02:46:39,410
all

3290
02:46:44,110 --> 02:46:41,660
but I do what I remember is I had a

3291
02:46:45,910 --> 02:46:44,120
Gauss meter that Roger Leir gave me he

3292
02:46:49,929 --> 02:46:45,920
said take this with you you know and and

3293
02:46:52,200 --> 02:46:49,939
and use it on your room so I did and I

3294
02:46:55,179 --> 02:46:52,210
was just getting readings amazing

3295
02:46:57,490 --> 02:46:55,189
radiation readings off my bed off the TV

3296
02:46:58,900 --> 02:46:57,500
off in the bathroom it was all over the

3297
02:47:02,860 --> 02:46:58,910
place it's like the whole place was

3298
02:47:07,030 --> 02:47:02,870
bugged or something in it and that night

3299
02:47:10,390 --> 02:47:07,040
you know we all went to bed and I woke

3300
02:47:11,860 --> 02:47:10,400
up so hungover I knew something had

3301
02:47:14,110 --> 02:47:11,870
happened that didn't remember what had

3302
02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:14,120
happened and my back hurt I remember it

3303
02:47:20,290 --> 02:47:16,250
hurt really bad

3304
02:47:21,550 --> 02:47:20,300
I checked the room again and there were

3305
02:47:22,179 --> 02:47:21,560
no readings on the Gauss meter

3306
02:47:25,449 --> 02:47:22,189
whatsoever

3307
02:47:28,630 --> 02:47:25,459
it was completely flatlined and a when

3308
02:47:29,739 --> 02:47:28,640
saw Whitley and in and I told him what

3309
02:47:32,620 --> 02:47:29,749
happened

3310
02:47:34,420 --> 02:47:32,630
it seemed that everybody there had some

3311
02:47:36,670 --> 02:47:34,430
sort of incident that night and when I

3312
02:47:39,729 --> 02:47:36,680
showed him my back he kind of recoiled

3313
02:47:41,830 --> 02:47:39,739
said oh my my goodness because I had all

3314
02:47:46,210 --> 02:47:41,840
these scratches on my back and like

3315
02:47:48,399 --> 02:47:46,220
burns up by spine moment that took a

3316
02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:48,409
long time to go away and many of the

3317
02:47:53,710 --> 02:47:51,140
people there that night also claimed

3318
02:47:56,130 --> 02:47:53,720
that that they had something happened so

3319
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:56,140
it seems that sometimes when groups of

3320
02:48:01,689 --> 02:47:58,640
and there's a large number of Avon's

3321
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:01,699
group there and a Vaughn when they get

3322
02:48:11,649 --> 02:48:05,600
together that this will happen what was

3323
02:48:18,510 --> 02:48:11,659
your last contact my last contact was

3324
02:48:21,340 --> 02:48:18,520
several nights ago I woke up and my

3325
02:48:23,080 --> 02:48:21,350
hallway has a certain amount of night

3326
02:48:26,019 --> 02:48:23,090
light coming down and it was

3327
02:48:28,449 --> 02:48:26,029
backlighting a gray figure standing

3328
02:48:30,910 --> 02:48:28,459
right to the edge of the bed and my

3329
02:48:32,949 --> 02:48:30,920
first thought when I saw it was Oh Mary

3330
02:48:35,279 --> 02:48:32,959
must have got to go to the bathroom even

3331
02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:35,289
though it was shaped nothing like her

3332
02:48:39,639 --> 02:48:37,850
healthy skepticism and a healthy brain

3333
02:48:42,939 --> 02:48:39,649
will do that a little automatically go

3334
02:48:48,309 --> 02:48:42,949
to the most logical thing that could be

3335
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:48,319
and then I looked over at her to see you

3336
02:48:53,050 --> 02:48:49,850
know if she was next to me and she was

3337
02:48:56,380 --> 02:48:53,060
and I looked back and it was gone prior

3338
02:48:58,090 --> 02:48:56,390
to that just a few nights before that we

3339
02:49:01,149 --> 02:48:58,100
had some disturbances in the house and

3340
02:49:03,340 --> 02:49:01,159
some lights shining around inside I also

3341
02:49:05,199 --> 02:49:03,350
had one right next to me by the bed

3342
02:49:07,540 --> 02:49:05,209
backlit by bright lights coming through

3343
02:49:12,099 --> 02:49:07,550
my shutters which were closed but it was

3344
02:49:13,989 --> 02:49:12,109
coming through the cracks but probably

3345
02:49:15,489 --> 02:49:13,999
the one of the most amazing things that

3346
02:49:18,130 --> 02:49:15,499
happened and you saw it in the end of

3347
02:49:19,449 --> 02:49:18,140
the show but something is there and

3348
02:49:21,460 --> 02:49:19,459
that's what happened with Whitley and I

3349
02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:21,470
when I saw the triangle what you saw at

3350
02:49:26,139 --> 02:49:24,770
the end there exactly happened now what

3351
02:49:30,210 --> 02:49:26,149
he's referring to

3352
02:49:34,210 --> 02:49:30,220
now that said that's a really cool scene

3353
02:49:35,240 --> 02:49:34,220
I haven't had anything quite that

3354
02:49:37,970 --> 02:49:35,250
incredible of a

3355
02:49:40,430 --> 02:49:37,980
but similar also and I had a black

3356
02:49:44,150 --> 02:49:40,440
triangle sighting I've got the

3357
02:49:48,290 --> 02:49:44,160
photograph right here I pulled it up I

3358
02:49:52,250 --> 02:49:48,300
shot on film Steve up in Monterey

3359
02:49:54,410 --> 02:49:52,260
Wow and I'll hold it up to the cameras

3360
02:49:56,270 --> 02:49:54,420
right here here's here's the picture I

3361
02:49:58,160 --> 02:49:56,280
don't have picture right here but if you

3362
02:50:02,710 --> 02:49:58,170
could email me that I would love to see

3363
02:50:06,050 --> 02:50:02,720
it it's I shot it in 1995 on a

3364
02:50:08,300 --> 02:50:06,060
35-millimeter camera and I'm up at the

3365
02:50:12,850 --> 02:50:08,310
beach in Monterey

3366
02:50:15,770 --> 02:50:12,860
we were walking between Monterey and

3367
02:50:19,190 --> 02:50:15,780
Pebble Beach right so we're walking down

3368
02:50:21,860 --> 02:50:19,200
the beach and and and I took this

3369
02:50:25,700 --> 02:50:21,870
picture there was something up shooting

3370
02:50:27,140 --> 02:50:25,710
across the sky and you go and you look

3371
02:50:29,300 --> 02:50:27,150
at this picture it looks like clouds

3372
02:50:31,610 --> 02:50:29,310
right that's what it looks like but

3373
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:31,620
right in the middle of this picture is a

3374
02:50:36,140 --> 02:50:34,890
little black dot and now and then you

3375
02:50:38,090 --> 02:50:36,150
put a jeweler's loupe

3376
02:50:41,360 --> 02:50:38,100
on it it's way up in the clouds you put

3377
02:50:43,730 --> 02:50:41,370
a jeweler's loupe on it it's like 60,000

3378
02:50:48,200 --> 02:50:43,740
feet you know it's like crazy right it's

3379
02:50:51,440 --> 02:50:48,210
a black pyramid it's crazy and and it

3380
02:50:54,980 --> 02:50:51,450
was shooting across the sky then stopped

3381
02:50:56,720 --> 02:50:54,990
and then cold around and shot up at the

3382
02:50:59,780 --> 02:50:56,730
end of the cloud and went into the blue

3383
02:51:03,500 --> 02:50:59,790
and just disappeared but I happen to

3384
02:51:05,990 --> 02:51:03,510
catch this one shot I'll put my finger

3385
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:06,000
on it for everybody the black dot is

3386
02:51:11,210 --> 02:51:08,880
right at the tip of my finger you can

3387
02:51:13,550 --> 02:51:11,220
just I'm holding it up to the camera

3388
02:51:16,670 --> 02:51:13,560
there it is you can see it right there

3389
02:51:19,280 --> 02:51:16,680
it's crazy you put the jeweler's loupe

3390
02:51:22,580 --> 02:51:19,290
on it at all you could say is you know

3391
02:51:25,640 --> 02:51:22,590
what T you know WTF you know yeah you

3392
02:51:27,560 --> 02:51:25,650
know what is that when I saw that with

3393
02:51:29,480 --> 02:51:27,570
Whitley it was you know I have been

3394
02:51:31,700 --> 02:51:29,490
seeing a lot of crafts up close and

3395
02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:31,710
personal and all my life but you know it

3396
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:33,930
just never gets old I mean and that's

3397
02:51:37,460 --> 02:51:35,760
the first triangle I know that's the

3398
02:51:39,020 --> 02:51:37,470
second triangle the first one wasn't

3399
02:51:41,060 --> 02:51:39,030
marrying when we were just starting to

3400
02:51:42,560 --> 02:51:41,070
go out and of course nothing would do

3401
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:42,570
that she would have an experience with

3402
02:51:47,480 --> 02:51:44,730
me but that one that night with Whitley

3403
02:51:48,310 --> 02:51:47,490
and being on the phone with him it was

3404
02:51:53,051 --> 02:51:48,320
just

3405
02:51:57,791 --> 02:51:53,061
into words so and the message I got

3406
02:51:59,770 --> 02:51:57,801
there's still hope don't give up now you

3407
02:52:06,030 --> 02:51:59,780
you mentioned this earth earlier so I

3408
02:52:08,801 --> 02:52:06,040
want to stay on this when so much today

3409
02:52:11,310 --> 02:52:08,811
whether it's channeling or direct

3410
02:52:15,100 --> 02:52:11,320
communication and and you've had the the

3411
02:52:18,370 --> 02:52:15,110
same things happen where the message

3412
02:52:22,810 --> 02:52:18,380
seems to be pretty clear it's a positive

3413
02:52:27,730 --> 02:52:22,820
one it's not a negative one is is that

3414
02:52:32,770 --> 02:52:27,740
where we are at now I hope so I mean it

3415
02:52:34,780 --> 02:52:32,780
seems positive or is it just we want it

3416
02:52:38,470 --> 02:52:34,790
to be positive and what it really is is

3417
02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:38,480
practical that it's the right thing to

3418
02:52:43,150 --> 02:52:39,610
do

3419
02:52:46,180 --> 02:52:43,160
I've never been harmed that I know of

3420
02:52:50,370 --> 02:52:46,190
I certainly have I have implants I have

3421
02:52:53,171 --> 02:52:50,380
one exactly like Whitley in my ear I

3422
02:52:56,020 --> 02:52:53,181
found amazing things in my body an x-ray

3423
02:52:58,780 --> 02:52:56,030
but I'm still very healthy very much

3424
02:53:03,280 --> 02:52:58,790
alive and 66 years old I do yoga every

3425
02:53:05,970 --> 02:53:03,290
morning two-mile walk I'm very limber my

3426
02:53:08,381 --> 02:53:05,980
health is good I've never been harmed

3427
02:53:10,390 --> 02:53:08,391
I've been I've been terrorized to a

3428
02:53:12,430 --> 02:53:10,400
degree I've been frightened I've been

3429
02:53:14,921 --> 02:53:12,440
putting through terrible ordeals through

3430
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:14,931
experiences with them but it always

3431
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:16,730
seemed in the end to be something that

3432
02:53:24,430 --> 02:53:20,090
elevated my consciousness and my ability

3433
02:53:27,461 --> 02:53:24,440
to perceive the world in a way that made

3434
02:53:28,810 --> 02:53:27,471
more sense how does how does the

3435
02:53:33,910 --> 02:53:28,820
communication happen

3436
02:53:36,120 --> 02:53:33,920
I do do they actually speak I've heard

3437
02:53:38,980 --> 02:53:36,130
them speak and it's breathless and it's

3438
02:53:43,030 --> 02:53:38,990
like in the center of your your mind but

3439
02:53:45,520 --> 02:53:43,040
then again sometimes I just feel it I

3440
02:53:48,480 --> 02:53:45,530
did with that message that night it was

3441
02:53:52,360 --> 02:53:48,490
something it just it almost

3442
02:53:55,450 --> 02:53:52,370
it felt like I used to do my own

3443
02:53:56,650 --> 02:53:55,460
developing and printing and photography

3444
02:53:59,740 --> 02:53:56,660
I've always been a photographer and a

3445
02:54:01,720 --> 02:53:59,750
camera nut and when you would develop in

3446
02:54:02,230 --> 02:54:01,730
the darkroom and the red light and you

3447
02:54:04,330 --> 02:54:02,240
developed

3448
02:54:06,310 --> 02:54:04,340
the blood eight-by-ten black-white print

3449
02:54:09,881 --> 02:54:06,320
would sort of fade up it had that kind

3450
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:09,891
of feeling it's difficult to put into

3451
02:54:15,640 --> 02:54:10,490
words

3452
02:54:17,950 --> 02:54:15,650
have you what about current sightings I

3453
02:54:21,790 --> 02:54:17,960
understand the black triangle but what

3454
02:54:24,551 --> 02:54:21,800
I'm referring to is what I do now with

3455
02:54:28,240 --> 02:54:24,561
groups of people where we go out and sky

3456
02:54:30,850 --> 02:54:28,250
watch night-vision goggles and and I've

3457
02:54:33,900 --> 02:54:30,860
seen some pretty extraordinary things

3458
02:54:36,220 --> 02:54:33,910
that I've been very very public about

3459
02:54:40,961 --> 02:54:36,230
what do you think about those sightings

3460
02:54:44,410 --> 02:54:40,971
today and do you do it I haven't I'd

3461
02:54:47,110 --> 02:54:44,420
like to I I have us I have three amazing

3462
02:54:49,540 --> 02:54:47,120
telescopes one quite large and I'm dying

3463
02:54:50,860 --> 02:54:49,550
to get out and go to a star party I keep

3464
02:54:52,780 --> 02:54:50,870
telling Whitley he's going to come with

3465
02:54:55,051 --> 02:54:52,790
me he wants to and bring his grandson I

3466
02:54:57,761 --> 02:54:55,061
would very much like to do that because

3467
02:54:59,320 --> 02:54:57,771
whenever I do and the last time I was

3468
02:55:01,211 --> 02:54:59,330
out camping with some friends and they

3469
02:55:03,280 --> 02:55:01,221
were skeptical they witnessed some

3470
02:55:05,530 --> 02:55:03,290
amazing things just like you're talking

3471
02:55:07,450 --> 02:55:05,540
about it completely changed their lives

3472
02:55:09,761 --> 02:55:07,460
but one of the most incredible ones as

3473
02:55:12,220 --> 02:55:09,771
well as in Frazier Park with my friend

3474
02:55:13,870 --> 02:55:12,230
Mark and we were doing deep sky

3475
02:55:16,650 --> 02:55:13,880
photography through our Celeste Ron's

3476
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:16,660
and he started shining a light at me and

3477
02:55:21,580 --> 02:55:19,370
to make a long story short I got pissed

3478
02:55:23,591 --> 02:55:21,590
off stopped the exposure and and turned

3479
02:55:24,850 --> 02:55:23,601
over to him and started to say what do

3480
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:24,860
you think you're doing you know better

3481
02:55:29,591 --> 02:55:28,010
than a mark and he says back to me away

3482
02:55:32,470 --> 02:55:29,601
from his telescope and he's staring at

3483
02:55:35,261 --> 02:55:32,480
this large sphere and that's when I

3484
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:35,271
realized that it's completely silent

3485
02:55:39,910 --> 02:55:37,040
there's not a cricket a breath of air

3486
02:55:42,190 --> 02:55:39,920
anything there's this huge sphere sort

3487
02:55:44,980 --> 02:55:42,200
of a amber color hovering very close to

3488
02:55:47,770 --> 02:55:44,990
us so I start to go over to it and he

3489
02:55:49,091 --> 02:55:47,780
says don't do it you it could be

3490
02:55:50,801 --> 02:55:49,101
dangerous don't go in he was very

3491
02:55:52,570 --> 02:55:50,811
frightened and I walked over to it and

3492
02:55:54,190 --> 02:55:52,580
it backed away from me the backed away

3493
02:55:57,671 --> 02:55:54,200
more and it backed away more and finally

3494
02:55:59,591 --> 02:55:57,681
it went off across the fat little Valley

3495
02:56:01,780 --> 02:55:59,601
there and over the mountains and it

3496
02:56:05,020 --> 02:56:01,790
disappeared and of course the next day

3497
02:56:10,060 --> 02:56:05,030
when I got home he talked all about it

3498
02:56:11,560 --> 02:56:10,070
to my late wife and she remembered him

3499
02:56:13,060 --> 02:56:11,570
talking about it

3500
02:56:16,530 --> 02:56:13,070
two weeks later he didn't remember it

3501
02:56:19,001 --> 02:56:16,540
not even a little bit so that can happen

3502
02:56:19,980 --> 02:56:19,011
Wow he still he doesn't remember it to

3503
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:19,990
this day

3504
02:56:25,961 --> 02:56:24,080
how okay I'm trying to picture this and

3505
02:56:28,511 --> 02:56:25,971
we've got three minutes

3506
02:56:30,370 --> 02:56:28,521
okay are you saying you know I

3507
02:56:33,011 --> 02:56:30,380
understand the telescope's and stuff and

3508
02:56:35,501 --> 02:56:33,021
he and the flash and you turn around and

3509
02:56:39,970 --> 02:56:35,511
it wasn't him flashing you boy that

3510
02:56:44,730 --> 02:56:39,980
sounded weird but it was it was a sphere

3511
02:56:51,400 --> 02:56:44,740
how how big was it how far away from it

3512
02:56:55,720 --> 02:56:51,410
for a friend that were you maybe a

3513
02:56:57,700 --> 02:56:55,730
hundred feet or so it was it was it had

3514
02:57:00,850 --> 02:56:57,710
shined the light at us is what happened

3515
02:57:02,261 --> 02:57:00,860
right it did it shined a light right on

3516
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:02,271
us and it caught the corner of my eye

3517
02:57:07,751 --> 02:57:04,160
and that's what I remember about it and

3518
02:57:09,370 --> 02:57:07,761
the one and I did do a session on that

3519
02:57:14,711 --> 02:57:09,380
evening because we went back a state at

3520
02:57:20,830 --> 02:57:14,721
this cabin and amazing things happened

3521
02:57:22,570 --> 02:57:20,840
that night wha-ha-ha how big was it how

3522
02:57:24,461 --> 02:57:22,580
big was it I mean if I had to ask me

3523
02:57:27,551 --> 02:57:24,471
maybe thirty feet across but it wasn't

3524
02:57:29,410 --> 02:57:27,561
what I experienced under hypnosis later

3525
02:57:31,390 --> 02:57:29,420
on I mean I did see that in hypnosis

3526
02:57:33,580 --> 02:57:31,400
everything was the same but later that

3527
02:57:36,131 --> 02:57:33,590
night at the cabin the classic lights

3528
02:57:39,251 --> 02:57:36,141
came in the windows and then the the

3529
02:57:43,060 --> 02:57:39,261
grace came in and they they took me and

3530
02:57:44,980 --> 02:57:43,070
I went to the kitchen and they had me by

3531
02:57:46,751 --> 02:57:44,990
the hand and we're heading towards this

3532
02:57:49,330 --> 02:57:46,761
door and I'm thinking aren't they going

3533
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:49,340
to open it the next thing I knew we both

3534
02:57:53,650 --> 02:57:51,200
went right through the door and they

3535
02:57:56,560 --> 02:57:53,660
felt this little tug on me like I had

3536
02:57:58,120 --> 02:57:56,570
passed through something and they took

3537
02:58:00,100 --> 02:57:58,130
us out into the woods because this is

3538
02:58:02,921 --> 02:58:00,110
Fraser Park and the cabin was just like

3539
02:58:05,440 --> 02:58:02,931
right in the woods and deep inside was

3540
02:58:09,011 --> 02:58:05,450
this big saucer shaped object sitting

3541
02:58:12,190 --> 02:58:09,021
there just kind of floating that we went

3542
02:58:14,560 --> 02:58:12,200
inside and it was it was classic

3543
02:58:17,560 --> 02:58:14,570
flying-saucer stuff it was amazing and

3544
02:58:18,820 --> 02:58:17,570
he doesn't remember any of it didn't

3545
02:58:22,211 --> 02:58:18,830
remember any of they did report

3546
02:58:23,591 --> 02:58:22,221
nightmares to me some weeks later he

3547
02:58:25,360 --> 02:58:23,601
said the lights were coming in this

3548
02:58:26,740 --> 02:58:25,370
window and he saw a big saucer

3549
02:58:28,841 --> 02:58:26,750
outside and he didn't know why he was

3550
02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:28,851
having these nightmares and I said mark

3551
02:58:32,801 --> 02:58:30,650
did you remember anything about what

3552
02:58:35,650 --> 02:58:32,811
happened up there he said no I don't

3553
02:58:37,360 --> 02:58:35,660
remember a thing I just thought I

3554
02:58:40,780 --> 02:58:37,370
thought we stopped looking at the Stars

3555
02:58:43,360 --> 02:58:40,790
and and went back to the cabinet I we

3556
02:58:44,620 --> 02:58:43,370
did but it was like that scene an alien

3557
02:58:46,330 --> 02:58:44,630
when they're trying to get out of there

3558
02:58:47,591 --> 02:58:46,340
they're down below and they're throwing

3559
02:58:49,301 --> 02:58:47,601
all this that we were just tossing our

3560
02:58:52,780 --> 02:58:49,311
equipment into the card to get out of

3561
02:58:55,960 --> 02:58:52,790
there but that was after we've seen the

3562
02:59:03,070 --> 02:58:55,970
object what's up next for you and when

3563
02:59:04,480 --> 02:59:03,080
can we not only hopefully see the series

3564
02:59:07,570 --> 02:59:04,490
but when are you gonna start shooting

3565
02:59:10,750 --> 02:59:07,580
the second episode well shortly I'm

3566
02:59:12,880 --> 02:59:10,760
going to start a campaign a crowdfunding

3567
02:59:17,350 --> 02:59:12,890
campaign I'm gonna try it see if it

3568
02:59:19,330 --> 02:59:17,360
works before I go to private sources I'm

3569
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:19,340
going to do a crowdfunding I'm hoping

3570
02:59:25,390 --> 02:59:22,010
that enough people the community see and

3571
02:59:27,940 --> 02:59:25,400
are aware of the project to want to help

3572
02:59:31,570 --> 02:59:27,950
us do another episode and then another

3573
02:59:34,150 --> 02:59:31,580
episode and then another episode so and

3574
02:59:37,480 --> 02:59:34,160
and also people who do contribute to

3575
02:59:41,801 --> 02:59:37,490
that will be allowed to see the first

3576
02:59:43,810 --> 02:59:41,811
episode well it's it you've got the the

3577
02:59:45,400 --> 02:59:43,820
scripts are ready to go I mean that's

3578
02:59:45,700 --> 02:59:45,410
right yeah they're pretty much ready to

3579
02:59:53,080 --> 02:59:45,710
go

3580
02:59:56,410 --> 02:59:53,090
finish actually but they're all blocked

3581
02:59:59,261 --> 02:59:56,420
out so we're really in a position where

3582
03:00:01,240 --> 02:59:59,271
if and I am talking to some film

3583
03:00:02,591 --> 03:00:01,250
companies and some people to see if

3584
03:00:05,591 --> 03:00:02,601
maybe they wanted to pick up the whole

3585
03:00:09,761 --> 03:00:05,601
thing we'll see what happens and you

3586
03:00:12,400 --> 03:00:09,771
know you know ideas I do I do like but

3587
03:00:15,430 --> 03:00:12,410
we actually finished a pilot we did it

3588
03:00:18,610 --> 03:00:15,440
ourselves and accounts for a lot it

3589
03:00:22,600 --> 03:00:18,620
we're not full of bull and we don't just

3590
03:00:24,820 --> 03:00:22,610
have a trailer and it's been very well

3591
03:00:26,710 --> 03:00:24,830
received mostly by people who have these

3592
03:00:29,261 --> 03:00:26,720
experiences they're the ones that gush

3593
03:00:32,080 --> 03:00:29,271
about it the most yeah I really enjoyed

3594
03:00:34,990 --> 03:00:32,090
it and I'm just waiting for the rest of

3595
03:00:37,780 --> 03:00:35,000
it and the book is available too as well

3596
03:00:39,070 --> 03:00:37,790
that's on Amazon if you just type in but

3597
03:00:40,930 --> 03:00:39,080
something is there or

3598
03:00:43,750 --> 03:00:40,940
Steve Neil you'll get the book and it

3599
03:00:46,801 --> 03:00:43,760
goes into all kinds of amazing details

3600
03:00:49,511 --> 03:00:46,811
about experiences I had with my other

3601
03:00:52,210 --> 03:00:49,521
grandparents up in Burnie California and

3602
03:00:53,100 --> 03:00:52,220
a lot of other things that have happened

3603
03:00:55,450 --> 03:00:53,110
to me

3604
03:00:57,940 --> 03:00:55,460
fantastic conversation tonight Steve

3605
03:01:00,190 --> 03:00:57,950
yeah I really enjoyed it thank you so

3606
03:01:01,750 --> 03:01:00,200
much give my best to Mary and I can't

3607
03:01:03,761 --> 03:01:01,760
wait to get you back on the show thank

3608
03:01:04,330 --> 03:01:03,771
you so much happy to come back thanks so

3609
03:01:07,830 --> 03:01:04,340
much Jimmy

3610
03:01:11,770 --> 03:01:07,840
Steve Neil and you could just go to

3611
03:01:14,500 --> 03:01:11,780
Jimmy Church radio.com Steve Neil's

3612
03:01:17,080 --> 03:01:14,510
garage calm the links are there and of

3613
03:01:20,200 --> 03:01:17,090
course but something is there dotnet

3614
03:01:24,190 --> 03:01:20,210
both links are over at Jimmy Church

3615
03:01:25,780 --> 03:01:24,200
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3616
03:01:29,530 --> 03:01:25,790
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3617
03:01:31,780 --> 03:01:29,540
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3618
03:01:35,710 --> 03:01:31,790
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3619
03:01:39,640 --> 03:01:35,720
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3620
03:01:43,600 --> 03:01:39,650
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3621
03:01:46,560 --> 03:01:43,610
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3622
03:01:50,980 --> 03:01:46,570
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3623
03:01:53,261 --> 03:01:50,990
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3624
03:01:54,640 --> 03:01:53,271
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3625
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3626
03:01:58,480 --> 03:01:56,900
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3627
03:02:00,880 --> 03:01:58,490
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3628
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3629
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3630
03:02:07,920 --> 03:02:05,271
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3631
03:02:10,840 --> 03:02:07,930
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3632
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:10,850
tomorrow night right here Laurie

3633
03:02:31,780 --> 03:02:16,010
McDonald until then everybody be saved